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The S&P Hit a Record. 73% of Stocks Are Below Their 50-Day. What Is Your Index Fund Betting On?

Ed Yardeni points to consumer spending, AI-related capital spending, and the federal deficit as supports for growth and earnings, while warning that persistent oil prices and rising bond yields could keep pressure on markets. Speakers discuss strong but concentrated earnings, narrow index leadership, and weak breadth, alongside the risks and opportunities in passive investing and small caps. Yardeni remains bullish and targets 7,900 for the S&P 500 by year-end; separate speakers raise questions about index concentration and set a 60- or 90-day window for small-cap catch-up.

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Ed Yardeni says consumer spending, AI-related capital spending, and a $1.7 trillion federal deficit are supporting growth and earnings, which he calls “FIMO”—a healthier basis for a bull market than FOMO. He targets 7,900 for the S&P 500 by year-end and 8,400 by the middle of next year, while remaining bullish on earnings and stocks.

The speakers cite approximately 27% year-over-year S&P 500 earnings growth in Q3, but say the strength may be concentrated in fewer than a third of companies and has raised expectations that could be hard to sustain. They warn that a substantial earnings decline could leave stocks in a speculative environment even if valuations do not look unreasonable.

Yardeni argues that oil around $90–$100 could keep inflation sticky and lead central banks to raise rates, potentially pushing yields higher; he also warns that governments and companies that built up debt expecting near-zero borrowing costs could face pressure. The speakers say recent rate increases have largely reflected growth rather than the inflation-driven increases of 2022, and that stocks have so far been more resilient, though whether growth continues to drive rates remains uncertain.

The speakers argue that passive flows can reinforce momentum by increasing the index weight of rising stocks, while warning that passive investing is not a substitute for evaluating companies and assigning prices. Chris Davis offers a speculative extension: if companies such as SpaceX, Anthropic, and ChatGPT enter indexes, they could lift index valuation multiples and deepen sector and thematic concentration.

ECONOMY

Growth Drivers — Ed Yardeni argues that consumer spending, AI-related capital spending, and a $1.7 trillion federal deficit over the prior 12 months are supporting economic growth and strong earnings. He calls this earnings-driven momentum “FIMO” and sees it as a healthier basis for a stock bull market than FOMO.

“Capital spending is very strong because of AI and oh by the way we have a very large federal deficit of $1.7 trillion over the past 12 months…”—

Oil And Rates — Yardeni argues that if oil stays around $90–$100, inflation could remain sticky, leading the Fed and other central banks to keep raising rates and potentially pushing bond yields higher. He says the bond market is not yet out of the woods.

“So suddenly we had a situation where became clear that the war wasn't over that there were still disruptions in the oil market and so higher for longer oil prices…”—

MARKETS

Earnings Growth — A speaker cites approximately 27% year-over-year S&P 500 earnings growth in Q3 and describes Q2 and Q3 results as exceptionally strong. The speaker says fewer than a third of companies may be generating those numbers, suggesting the strength is concentrated.

“The statistics are mind-numbing. I mean, 27% I think is the Q3 year-over-year earnings growth on the S&P…”—

Earnings Expectations — The speakers argue that unusually rapid earnings growth has raised expectations that may be difficult to sustain. If earnings fall substantially, stocks could remain in a speculative environment even if current valuations do not look unreasonable.

“And that's what the guests we talk about who who have come on talked about the idea of an earnings bubble are talking about which is like even if valuations…”—

Rates And Stocks — The speakers distinguish current rate increases, which they say have largely been fueled by growth, from the inflation-driven increases of 2022. Stocks have so far been more resilient to the current rise in yields, they say, though it remains to be seen whether growth will continue to drive rates.

“And the difference, by the way, is, you know, right now we're basically seeing interest rates go up for good reasons…”—

FORECASTS

S&P Targets — Yardeni targets 7,900 for the S&P 500 by year-end and has moved his 8,400 target to the middle of next year. He remains bullish on earnings and the stock-market outlook.

“So in midepptember I pushed out my 8,400 target for the S&P 500 to the middle of next year and I'm aiming to for something like 7,900 by the end…”—

Index Valuation — Chris Davis presents a speculative thesis that venture capitalists may keep companies private longer because index funds could act as price-insensitive buyers. If companies such as SpaceX, Anthropic, and ChatGPT enter indexes, he argues, they could raise index valuation multiples and amplify sector and thematic concentration.

“My really dark tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is that what's happening now is these companies, the venture capitalists are keeping them private for longer because they realize their best possible…”—

Opening conversation and this week's connections

The hosts introduce a diverse lineup of guests and connect Ed Yardeni’s earnings outlook, Chris Davis and Robert Hagstrom’s investing experience, Katie Stockton’s market charts, and Tom Maher’s small-cap analysis.

Ed Yardeni: earnings momentum supports the rally

Yardeni argues that consumer spending, AI investment, and federal deficits are supporting growth and earnings, which he calls fabulous earnings momentum; he remains bullish but flags oil and bond yields as risks.

Chris Davis: index concentration and momentum

Chris Davis warns that passive indexing increasingly amplifies momentum and concentration, potentially weakening price discovery and creating risks if private-company IPOs enter indexes at elevated valuations.

Katie Stockton: what weak breadth does and doesn't mean

Stockton says weak breadth is not by itself a bearish signal or a reliable market-top indicator, but it highlights rotation; lagging stocks catching up could support continued gains.

Ed Yardeni: rising yields and bond vigilantes

Yardeni sees higher yields as partly reflecting economic strength but also warns that bond vigilantes may demand compensation for debt and deficits, leaving room for market stress.

Tom Maher: the case for small caps beyond big tech

Tom Maher sees a case for small caps in improving earnings, diversification, reshoring, and AI-related construction, while noting that smaller companies need stronger fundamentals to attract investors.

Small-cap dispersion, fundamentals, and index quality

The hosts discuss unusual stock dispersion and potential opportunities for active managers, while cautioning that small-cap indexes—especially the Russell 2000—contain many unprofitable, lower-quality companies.

Robert Hagstrom: trimming winners and margin of safety

Robert Hagstrom explains trimming oversized winners through position limits and declining margin of safety, while retaining exposure to successful technology companies.

Selling regret and the responsibilities of managing money

The hosts weigh the regret of selling winners too early against the risks of concentration, noting that professional managers must manage client portfolios differently from personal holdings before closing the show.

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