The Final Phase of This Bull Market Will Be Massive | Charles Lemonides
Lemonides sees room for the bull market to continue, potentially for another two to five years, while expecting its late phase to favor exciting growth companies. He points to opportunities in energy, offshore assets, Intel, and the relative valuations of Lyft and Instacart, while highlighting risks in cyclical memory stocks, Mesabi Trust, and richly valued Caterpillar. He also argues that AI-linked leadership remains narrow and that higher interest rates have yet to slow economic growth.
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Lemonides sees Lyft and Instacart as potential value opportunities relative to Uber and DoorDash, respectively, at roughly one-quarter of their competitors’ valuations; he cites their growth and company-specific strengths, while arguing that driver, shopper, and grocery costs limit winner-take-all scale advantages. He also expects Lyft and Instacart shares could double or triple over two to five years, though he does not know when investor fatigue will end and says the gains may not arrive by December.
Lemonides says the bull market could last another two to five years, noting that bull markets often deliver their strongest returns in their final years. He characterizes current industrial and emerging-market outperformance as still narrowly AI-linked, and expects data-center growth to remain strong while the final phase could last six months to three years and favor exciting companies over low-multiple names.
Lemonides sees offshore activity as a multi-year opportunity: he expects increased offshore production to continue for another five to ten years and says tight supply and demand could support substantial cash flows for Tidewater, whose fleet would cost about twice its current price to rebuild. His approach is to build exposure as offshore assets fall to roughly 20%–30% of replacement cost, rather than trying to call the bottom, and to be willing to wait for a turn.
Lemonides says his firm reduced energy holdings after pandemic-era gains but sees a favorable story in the remaining names following their retreat, given high energy prices. He also identifies domestic independent E&Ps as attractive, citing CORD at an $8 billion valuation and roughly three to four times expected cash flow, and Unit’s expected $75 million in cash flow over the next year alongside $100 million in net cash.
TECHNOLOGY
“You know, the Rivians three years from now are going to be pretty darn fully self-driving. The Teslas that that anyone can buy are going to be pretty darn self-driving…”—
ECONOMY
“No, that's a very good point…”—
MARKETS
“They've always been a cyclical business. And in these cyclical businesses, when it looks the cheapest, that's actually the top. That's peak earnings…”—
“We built a big energy exposure during the pandemic and that got to be a very, very big exposure as those stocks exploded to the upside…”—
“a leader that is really really richly priced and a secondary company that has been growing every bit as well as the leader but isn't as big for whatever reason…”—
FORECASTS
“You know, th this market has gone up and to the right without a more than a 25% correction for 18 years.”—
“Yes. On the other hand, look, the growth is happening in the data center stuff and we don't think it's going to slow down anytime soon…”—
“It's both the CPU trade and the foundry trade for me…”—
Intro
Are We in a Bubble?
Rates Growth and Bonds
Value Investing Reframed
Micron Peak Earnings Debate
Intel Foundry
Sarmaya LENS ETF
Sizing Themes and Diversifying
Undervalued Challengers: Lyft & Instacart
Energy Sector Setup
Portfolio Construction & Shorts
Shorting Texas Pacific Land Trust
Royalty Trusts and Mesabi
Retail Shorts: Casey’s & Grocers
AI Industrials, Quantum, & Aerospace
Offshore Wind and Conclusion
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