Bad feeling, weak internals, confidence collapse, Nvidia…

PodcastThe Compound and FriendsJosh BrownSep 29

The discussion weighs market weakness against continued earnings growth, with narrow breadth, falling consumer confidence, and higher real yields raising questions about valuations and stock demand. AI investment is tying equities and credit together as companies borrow and redirect cash from buybacks, while NVIDIA’s growth prospects and technical setup remain central to the market debate. Historical screens point to potential downside risks, but the speakers caution against treating them as certain forecasts or trying to time the market.

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Key Takeaways

The speakers say hyperscalers’ existing data-center investments should sustain demand for GPU clusters, which they expect to remain data centers’ workhorses despite ASIC and CPU alternatives. Separately, one speaker estimates NVIDIA could generate $96 billion to $98 billion in free cash flow this fiscal year and $360 billion next year, while its trailing 12-month operating earnings have moved above Apple’s.

NVIDIA had bounced twice near its 200-day moving average around $199–$200 but remained below the $235 breakout level, which had not been confirmed. Against that technical backdrop, the speaker says NVIDIA’s earnings multiple is falling despite projected growth and estimates that its existing $85 billion buyback plan plus a new $150 billion authorization could reduce shares by 4.3% through the first quarter of 2028 if the stock price stays flat for the next year and a half.

The speakers describe AI investment as a cross-market funding issue: Big Tech is borrowing more as free cash flow is absorbed, while equity capital is expected to provide 45% of AI buildout funding from 2026 to 2028, with private credit, bonds, and loans supplying the rest. They say this can add AI exposure to bond markets and make diversification harder if the boom stalls, although hyperscaler credit default swaps were flat at the time.

One speaker says inflation expectations are not driving higher interest rates, citing well-anchored breakevens, and explains that a surge in breakevens would feed into the nominal 10-year yield. The same episode reports consumer confidence fell 6.7 points to 81.9, its lowest level since 2014, with speakers citing high prices—especially oil and gas—alongside political, trade, and employment concerns; one cautions that confidence has not been a strong stock-market signal.

The speaker says the 10-year real yield reached its highest level since 2008 and offers a 2.85% alternative in a hypothetical retiree example, while arguing that a 5% 10-year yield alone is not a breaking point for stock multiples. For utilities, the speaker notes a 17 P/E—about 36% above the long-term average—and a 2.94% dividend yield below the 5.25% 10-year Treasury yield, arguing investors may prefer Treasuries; this is a view, not a certain outcome.

TECHNOLOGY

GPU Demand — The speakers say hyperscalers’ existing data-center investments require continued spending. They expect GPU clusters to remain data centers’ workhorses despite alternatives such as ASICs and CPUs.

“And basically, they ratified what we all already know, which is that not only are they spending this coming quarter and for the rest of the year, but as far…”—

ECONOMY

Inflation Breakevens — The speaker says inflation expectations are not driving the rise in interest rates, pointing to well-anchored inflation breakevens. A surge in breakevens, the speaker explains, would feed into the nominal 10-year yield.

“And that is inflation expectations ripping higher. You could see there's... It's a finance y term. Inflation breakevens are well anchored. Okay?…”—

MARKETS

NVIDIA Consolidation — NVIDIA pulled back to its 200-day moving average near $199–$200, bounced twice, and then consolidated below the $235 breakout level. The speaker says a longer test of that level could make an eventual breakout more powerful; no breakout had been confirmed.

“And then we sort of had like, I think, pretty orderly pullback to the two hundred day moving average, which at that time was 199, 200 bounced off of that…”—

NVIDIA Cash Flow — Based partly on company guidance and capital-spending plans, the speaker estimates NVIDIA could generate about $96 billion to $98 billion in free cash flow this fiscal year and $360 billion next year on $680 billion in revenue. The speaker also says NVIDIA’s earnings multiple is falling despite the projected growth.

“This is a this is a company that this fiscal year is gonna do something like 96 or $98,000,000,000 in free cash flow…”—

Buyback Estimate — If NVIDIA’s share price stays flat for the next year and a half, the speaker estimates its existing $85 billion buyback plan and new $150 billion authorization could reduce shares by 4.3% through the first quarter of 2028.

“Okay? I gotta make it simple when I'm doing the chart. So it stays flat. Okay?…”—

FORECASTS

NYSE Breadth Screen — A Barclays historical screen found that a cumulative NYSE spread decline of 5,300 over 21 trading days coincided with an average S&P decline of 9.6; the transcript does not specify a unit for that figure. October 2014 was the only cited precedent, and the S&P fell more than 5% in the following week.

“So they're showing similar to you cumulative NYSE spread falling by minus 5,300 over the past twenty one trading days…”—

Elevated 52-Week Lows — A historical screen found that when the S&P was unchanged while the number of stocks making 52-week lows was similarly elevated, the average peak-to-trough S&P drawdown over the next 21 days was 520 basis points. The speakers present this as a historical risk pattern, not a certain forecast.

“If we screen for instances where the S and P was unchanged with this number of stocks making a fifty two week low, the average peak to trough drawdown over…”—

Matt Joins The Show

Josh welcomes chart-focused guest Matt, handles brief audience banter, and introduces the episode’s chart-heavy market discussion.

NVIDIA Breakout Setup

The hosts see constructive NVIDIA chart signals, including rising moving averages, supportive momentum, and a prolonged test of resistance after a major run.

NVIDIA Buyback And Strategy

They discuss NVIDIA’s $150 billion buyback, its substantial expected cash generation, Jensen Huang’s capital allocation, and the company’s alignment with U.S. policy priorities.

Treasury Yield Surge

The speakers examine persistent increases in Treasury yields, potential shifts in domestic and foreign demand, corporate borrowing, and the Japanese yen carry trade.

Real Yields And Valuations

Higher real yields offer investors an alternative to equities, but historical comparisons suggest that 5% Treasury yields alone do not mark a breaking point for stock valuations.

AI Capital And Portfolio Risk

An AllianceBernstein note argues AI investment increasingly links equities, credit, and foreign flows, making diversification harder as companies redirect cash and issue debt.

Market Breadth Debate

The hosts acknowledge weakening breadth but argue that past breadth washouts often resolved through a broadening rally rather than an index catch-down.

Sector Breadth Breakdown

Weakness is concentrated in rate-sensitive utilities, staples, and real estate, while technology and financials show comparatively resilient participation and few new lows.

Confidence And Downside Risks

They weigh collapsing consumer confidence and historical breadth warnings against market resilience, noting that weakness has hit identifiable rate-sensitive and housing-related stocks.

Wearables IPO Skepticism

Josh questions the prospects of single-product fitness and health-tech companies, citing failed consumer hardware IPOs and the competitive threat from large technology firms.

Five Desert Island Charts

Matt presents long-term charts on drawdowns, bear-market odds, bond returns, earnings growth, and the cost of missing the market’s strongest days to reinforce staying invested.

Exhibit A For Advisors

Matt describes Exhibit A’s chart and research resources for financial advisors, and the hosts discuss how firms can use branded, compliance-ready materials.