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The Government Lets You Gamble - But Won’t Let You Invest In Crypto | Hester Peirce

Hester Peirce argues for a technology-neutral crypto framework that protects investors while allowing targeted experimentation, including tokenized securities, blockchain settlement, and evolving token models. She supports limited fundraising exemptions, self-custody, developer protections, and stronger financial privacy, while warning that aggressive anti-crypto rules could weaken investor protection. She also expects stablecoins to develop into several distinct categories and describes AI as intensifying the conflict between financial fraud and enforcement.

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Key Takeaways

Peirce favors targeted blockchain adoption in financial markets rather than treating it as a universal solution: the DTCC’s SEC no-action letter points to modernization and fewer settlement fails, while the SEC’s innovation exemption creates a five-year experiment for permissioned, on-chain trading of tokenized NMS securities. Those tokenized securities must provide the same rights as the underlying shares, and issuers receive a 30-day window to reject certain third-party tokenizations.

Peirce’s preferred regulatory approach is technology-neutral and evidence-driven: regulators should protect investors, preserve market integrity, and support capital formation while allowing markets to test where blockchain improves traditional finance. She argues that durable rules are more likely when products achieve genuine adoption and build constituencies that continue defending them after political leadership changes.

Although Peirce was surprised that the Clarity Act failed, she believes the SEC and CFTC can address unresolved crypto issues under existing authority while a market-structure bill remains desirable. Her proposed framework would permit projects to raise up to $5 million through a startup exemption or up to $75 million through a more intensive exemption, with a safe harbor allowing tokens to separate from their investment contracts and operate as commodities.

Peirce rejects rigid classifications for tokens, equity, and investment contracts: projects could combine or separate token and equity rights if the benefits are clearly defined, and a token might initially comply with securities rules before moving outside that framework as the project evolves. She says an investment-contract component may fall away after promised actions are fulfilled or abandoned, although abandoning those promises can create legal problems.

TECHNOLOGY

Blockchain Settlement — The DTCC’s SEC no-action letter and its discussion of putting financial-market infrastructure on a blockchain illustrate institutional adoption focused on modernization, not a new profit-generating product. Peirce says targeted experiments could improve back-office efficiency and reduce settlement problems such as fails to deliver, rather than treating blockchain as a universal solution.

“The DTCC blew my mind when obviously they got the no action letter from the SEC and a day later we're talking about tokenizing everything and having it on a…”—

ECONOMY

Crypto Regulation — Although Hester Peirce was surprised that the Clarity Act failed, she says the SEC and CFTC can continue addressing unresolved crypto questions under their existing authority. She still believes a market-structure bill would benefit regulators and the industry.

“I did expect that it would pass. So I was surprised with the outcome. a lot of work has gone into the Clarity Act…”—

Tokenized Stock Exemption — The SEC’s innovation exemption is intended to let market participants experiment with permissioned, on-chain trading of tokenized NMS securities, including through automated market makers. The five-year, time-limited experiment is designed to generate evidence on tokenized-trading models and their place in a permanent regulatory framework.

“Well, I think what it is a desire to bring tokenized stock trading onchain and to allow people to experiment with doing that using automated market makers to do that.”—

Technology-Neutral Rules — Peirce says regulators should pursue investor protection, market integrity, and capital formation while recognizing that blockchain can address some risks and create others requiring different solutions. She favors suppressing harmful activity, allowing useful applications to develop, and letting markets test where the technology improves traditional finance.

“We're going to shut down the bad activity but allow the good activity to go forward…”—

MARKETS

Tokenized Share Rights — Tokenized securities in the innovation-exemption framework must carry the same rights as the underlying securities, making them effectively equivalent to owning the corresponding share.

“They will effectively be the same as owning a share which was another one of the kind concerns that was being debated there…”—

Why the Clarity Act Failed

Hester Peirce says she expected the Clarity Act to pass, but its many moving parts and political disagreements prevented enactment despite substantial congressional effort.

SEC and CFTC Move Forward Without Clarity

Peirce explains that the SEC and CFTC are using existing statutory authority to address crypto questions while continuing to work toward broader market-structure legislation.

The SEC’s Innovation Exemption for Tokenized Stocks

The SEC's five-year innovation exemption enables permissioned on-chain trading of tokenized NMS securities through experiments such as automated market makers.

A Bridge to a Permanent Crypto Framework

Peirce describes the exemption as a temporary bridge designed to generate information for a permanent regulatory framework rather than a final crypto solution.

Coinbase, Robinhood and the Tokenized Stock Race

Coinbase, Robinhood, Kraken, and others are testing tokenized stocks, while issuer-consent provisions let companies reject third-party tokenized representations.

Why Permissionless Blockchains Matter

Peirce says permissionless blockchains provide transparency and that the United States should let markets experiment with technology-neutral accommodations.

“Come Talk to Us” Means Something Different Now

The SEC's invitation to engage now means regulators genuinely want builders and critics to discuss workable approaches instead of expecting enforcement after the fact.

Can SEC Crypto Rules Survive Legal Challenges?

Peirce says crypto rules should protect investors, preserve market integrity and capital formation, and recognize that new technology may require different regulatory solutions.

DTCC and the Tokenization of Traditional Markets

She cannot predict litigation over the innovation exemption but emphasizes collaboration toward an efficient framework that supports both startups and incumbent institutions.

Can a Future Administration Reverse These Rules?

Peirce views DTCC tokenization as infrastructure experimentation that could improve back-office efficiency and reduce settlement failures without transforming every market.

Why Hester Peirce Is Leaving the SEC

She acknowledges future administrations can reverse rules, but widespread real-world use creates constituencies that will defend technology that demonstrably improves markets.

Safe Harbor and the New Crypto Fundraising Framework

Peirce is leaving because her term expires, while also believing government benefits from fresh ideas, new voices, and periodic leadership transitions.

Letting Everyday Investors Back Early-Stage Projects

Her proposed fundraising framework combines a $5 million startup exemption, a larger $75 million exemption with additional requirements, and a path toward token separation.

When Does a Token Stop Being a Security?

Peirce supports making early-stage investing more accessible to ordinary Americans while protecting investors without treating them as incapable of making informed choices.

Self-Custody and Developer Protections

She hopes tokens and equity can sometimes function as a unified ownership interest, while allowing projects to choose structures suited to their particular networks.

Why Financial Privacy Should Be the Default

A token becomes separate from its investment contract after promised efforts are fulfilled or abandoned, clarifying what purchasers receive and encouraging explicit commitments.

How AI Changes Crypto Fraud and Enforcement

Peirce defends self-custody as a fundamental right and argues developers should not be liable merely because bad actors misuse useful software.

The One Permanent Principle Crypto Needs

She argues financial privacy should be the default, with lawful investigative access obtained through proper channels rather than treating privacy as evidence of wrongdoing.

Will Builders Come Back to the United States?

AI magnifies securities fraud but can also improve investor protection, investigations, and financial institutions' ability to defend customers from bad actors.

Final Thoughts

Peirce's enduring principle is to protect self-custody, decentralized transactions, and developers while keeping America open to builders and capital from around the world.

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