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Solana, Tokenized Stocks, and Backpack w/ Armani Ferrante | Raoul Pal The Journey Man

The discussion examines how blockchains could support tokenized financial assets, from equities and pre-IPO shares to payments and foreign exchange, while regulated infrastructure and licensing shape which products can reach users. Ferrante points to Solana's ecosystem and the potential to expand tokenized stock access, while arguing that speculation and risk transfer are features of markets more broadly. Separately, speakers consider how AI agents may need capital and data, and whether blockchain-based markets could serve those needs; Pal also predicts crypto could grow 100x as the industry matures.

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Raoul Pal says the shift he anticipated in 2013–2014—equities, bonds, and currencies moving onto blockchain—is now happening, with the speakers describing blockchains as a global API for accessing financial products. They argue that globally accessible, divisible tokenized U.S. equities could bring new capital to public companies and increase U.S. dollar use, while tokenized pre-IPO shares could broaden access but raise questions about price discovery and incentives.

Ferrante says redeemability for the actual share is a key feature of Backpack’s tokenized stock, enabling movement between on-chain and traditional systems. He says deep on-chain liquidity could require billions of dollars at scale, while intent systems could source long-tail shares at the NBBO; expanding Solana access from 200 to 10,000 symbols is another step toward a Robinhood-like range.

Ferrante says regulated brokerage infrastructure and licensing can make products such as perpetual futures and tokenized stocks possible, citing a reported Hyperliquid–Kraken partnership as an example of combining exchange capabilities with licensing. He also describes operating across countries as a difficult, frustrating, and expensive process involving local regulators, teams, and licenses.

Ferrante says Solana had a more developed technology, community, and startup ecosystem than competing chains at the time, with startups nearing product and token launches and protocols preparing to go live. He described those fundamentals as disconnected from the negative news-cycle narrative, calling the gap a value disconnect that made staying with Solana an easy decision for him.

Ferrante predicted that crypto could grow 100x as the industry matures through compliance, regulation, integration with financial systems, tokenized stocks, and stablecoins. He argues that regulated financial activity on-chain could drive value to underlying chains through technology use at scale, while high-throughput, low-latency infrastructure would be needed if blockchains become important to finance and the modern economy.

TECHNOLOGY

Asset Tokenization — Raoul Pal says he argued in 2013–2014 that equities, bonds, and currencies would move onto blockchain. He believes that transition is now happening.

“Back in 2013 and 2014, I started writing papers about Bitcoin and investing in it…”—

Scaling Infrastructure — Armani Ferrante argues that if crypto and blockchains become important to finance and the modern economy, they will need high-throughput, low-latency infrastructure.

“Firstly, I believed that crypto wasn't going anywhere. I thought it was one of the most important technologies that was going to reinvents all of finance and the modern economy…”—

Solana Ecosystem — Ferrante says Solana had a more developed technology, community, and startup ecosystem than competing chains at the time. Startups were nearing major product and token launches, and protocols were preparing to go live.

“And then at the time it follows well what are the ecosystems that exist that can actually hit scale both from a technology point of view but also just from…”—

ECONOMY

Global Licensing — Armani Ferrante says operating a regulated financial institution across countries requires engaging local regulators, building teams, and obtaining licenses. He describes regulation as hard, frustrating, and expensive.

“And so we really began that work in late 22, early 23 where we literally sat down in an office in Chicago, took a map of the world, colorcoded it…”—

MARKETS

Solana Value Disconnect — Ferrante says Solana's ecosystem fundamentals were disconnected from the negative news-cycle narrative around it. He called the gap a value disconnect that made staying with Solana an easy decision for him.

“And I just knew like the whole ecosystem…”—

Speculation and Risk — Armani Ferrante frames speculation as a feature of financial markets, not something unique to crypto: derivatives require a counterparty willing to take the other side of a hedger's risk. He describes risk transfer as central to activity across crypto, stocks, and futures, including CME futures.

“I kind of like to just eliminate crypto for my vocabulary. It's all just finance…”—

Tokenized Equity Flows — The speakers argue that crypto's global accessibility and divisibility could let people anywhere own tokenized US equities, bringing new capital into publicly traded companies. Pal says these flows could also increase US dollar use and reinforce US dominance.

“The other thing, one of the things that people kind of forget about with crypto is it's a globally homogeneous product that is fractionizable and ownable by everybody, therefore…”—

FORECASTS

Crypto 100x Growth — Armani Ferrante predicted that crypto could grow 100x, driven by industry maturation rather than its earlier “wild west” phase. He pointed to compliance and regulation, integration into global financial systems, tokenized stocks, and stablecoins as signs of that shift.

“And the first and most important theme and trend that we identified was that yes, crypto is not dead…”—

The Future of Crypto: Bringing the Global Economy On-Chain

Pal frames blockchains as the infrastructure for moving equities, bonds, currencies, and other parts of the global financial system on-chain, with compliant tokenization already emerging.

Armani Ferrante’s Journey Into Crypto and Solana

Ferrante traces his crypto beginnings to reading Ethereum’s white paper, joining open-source engineering, and finding a role building early Solana wallets, exchanges, and developer tools.

Surviving FTX and Betting on Solana’s Comeback

After FTX’s collapse cost Backpack $14.5 million in runway, Ferrante says Solana’s technology, builders, and startup pipeline made staying and rebuilding an easy conviction.

How Backpack Plans to Build the Future of Finance

Backpack grew from successful Solana open-source work into a company focused on combining crypto-native products with regulated financial services across global markets.

Why Crypto’s Next 100x Will Come From Mainstream Adoption

Ferrante predicts crypto can grow 100-fold as the sector matures, with regulation, stablecoins, and tokenized real-world assets bringing mainstream users and capital.

Regulation, Tokenized Stocks, and Bringing Finance On-Chain

The speakers argue that licensing and compliance enable products such as U.S. derivatives and tokenized stocks, connecting crypto platforms with regulated financial infrastructure.

Why Tokenized Stocks Could Change Global Markets

They see tokenized equities as a way to broaden access and attract new capital to public companies, with Robinhood’s rapid response underscoring how seriously incumbents take the change.

Pre-IPO Tokens and the Future of Capital Formation

Pre-IPO tokens and perpetual futures could widen access to private-company price discovery, but Ferrante cautions that early token launches can misalign incentives and reshape IPOs.

Why Finance Is Becoming a Global API

Ferrante describes blockchains as a global finance API that could let users access stocks, derivatives, payments, and foreign exchange through software-like calls.

AI Agents Are Coming to Financial Markets

Ferrante expects AI agents to interact increasingly with financial markets, while Pal suggests that better abstraction layers could reduce the need for conventional interfaces.

The AI Agent Economy and Tokenized Data

Pal predicts an emerging marketplace that could tokenize or financialize data for AI, turning underused information into an economic resource for agents.

What Happens When AI Agents Get Bank Accounts?

Ferrante argues that agents need capital to act in the real world and that blockchains could give them permissionless accounts, raising both economic possibilities and serious risks.

Backpack’s Plan to Bring the Entire Stock Market to Solana

Ferrante says Backpack is prioritizing global licensing and plans to make real stock entitlements portable between brokerage accounts and Solana through redeemable tokens.

Solving Liquidity for 24/7 Tokenized Stocks

They explain that tokenized stocks need either substantial on-chain liquidity or intermediaries that bridge existing market liquidity; broader regulated participation could improve access.

Prediction Markets Are Bigger Than Gambling

Ferrante argues prediction markets offer more than gambling, functioning as forecasting and price-discovery tools that can help turn collective expectations into useful information.

Markets as Intelligence: The Future of Price Discovery

The speakers describe prices and prediction markets as forms of collective intelligence, potentially amplified by the internet, blockchain infrastructure, and participation from AI agents.

Why Crypto Keeps Reinventing Finance

Pal celebrates crypto’s cycle of experimentation and failure, while Ferrante says contentious early uses should not obscure broader applications such as forecasting and truth discovery.

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