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Metals Bull Market is Just Getting Started (Gold, Copper, & Uranium) | Jérémie Boyer | Aurelion

Boyer sees continued upside potential in gold, copper, and uranium, supported by monetary and geopolitical factors, AI and energy-transition demand, and long lead times for new mine supply. His portfolio approach favors long-only mining equities, with roughly 25% to 30% in commodities and a more cautious 5% to 7% potential allocation to gold miners. He is moderately bearish on crude oil, expecting a broadly balanced market over the next three to six months, while warning that conflict speculation could still drive prices higher.

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AI and the energy transition are increasing copper demand, while new mines typically require 10 to 15 years to reach production, limiting supply responsiveness. Boyer says some copper producers are entering an earnings phase in which higher prices and lower capital expenditures could generate substantial free cash flow, with liquid names such as Freeport and Southern Copper favored by institutional investors.

Boyer sees a long-term uranium demand pipeline from planned nuclear construction in China, France, the United Kingdom, and India, alongside governments' green-energy commitments. He says uranium could be entering a more durable growth phase, although delayed nuclear construction or substitution with coal would pose risks.

Boyer expects gold to move higher this year and views its recent decoupling from oil as supporting a bullish stance, with real rates, Federal Reserve policy, liquidity, geopolitics, fund flows, central-bank buying, and Chinese purchases remaining important drivers. However, India's slowdown in gold purchases creates a near-term physical-demand drag, and Boyer says a cautious gold-miner allocation could be about 5% to 7% rather than 20% because conditions can change quickly.

Boyer is moderately bearish on crude oil and expects supply and demand to remain broadly balanced over the next three to six months; he says $110 is possible, while prices above $120 appear unlikely without an unpredictable supply shock. Reduced Chinese imports, rising inventories, tanker movements, a dark fleet, and potentially unobserved Iranian pipelines point to demand weakness and more supply than visible transit data may suggest, while infrastructure damage—not only Strait of Hormuz fears—helped create the initial price premium.

Boyer's model portfolio emphasizes direct, long-only mining-equity exposure rather than ETFs or options, currently holding two uranium companies and one copper company. Commodities represent roughly 25% to 30% of the portfolio, including about 15% in mining and 10% in shipping, while he plans to add one or two gold companies without treating a bullish gold view as justification for a 20% allocation.

GEO-POLITICS

Minerals Opportunity — Boyer is considering adding a U.S. critical-minerals company in response to new tariffs involving Canada. He recalls a similar trade that generated a 100% upside return the previous year.

“We're thinking maybe of adding a critical minerals play because we're seeing like, it will probably be a US 1 because right now with the new tariffs with Canada and…”—

Refining Pressure — Boyer says Donald Trump has publicly urged Chevron and Exxon to lower prices, suggesting that political pressure could affect refiners.

“And we also saw something that maybe we don't really see here in Canada, but in The US, we're seeing Trump openly called on platforms like, I want Chevron or…”—

TECHNOLOGY

AI Copper Exposure — AI companies are beginning to identify higher copper prices as a material risk to profitability and revenue growth. The concern links copper costs directly to the AI hardware supply chain.

“Right now, I was surprised, but not surprised…”—

MARKETS

Gold Drivers — Gold has recently decoupled from oil, which Boyer views as confirmation of a bullish stance. Real rates, Federal Reserve policy, liquidity, geopolitics, ETF and fund inflows, central-bank buying, and Chinese purchases remain relevant drivers.

“I think in like, we saw that back once almost happened, it was inversely trading with oil. So as long as oil was going up, gold was crashing…”—

Copper Constraint — AI and the energy transition are increasing copper demand, while new mines can take about 10 to 15 years to reach production. That limits the supply response.

“When you look at the big drivers, you would say, okay, there is rising AI demand. We are in an energy transition and this will within the deficit…”—

Indian Gold Demand — Energy uncertainty led India to slow gold purchases and ask citizens to stop buying gold, creating a near-term drag on physical investment demand.

“As well, you saw out of, like, the rest of Asia, like, India is a huge buyer of gold for investment demand, and they actually, because of their energy uncertainty…”—

FORECASTS

Gold Upside — Boyer expects gold to move higher this year but does not extend the forecast to a two-year horizon.

“We see gold going higher this year and what happens in 2 years or after, it's not something we're looking at as of now.”—

Oil Range — Boyer expects oil supply and demand to remain broadly balanced over the next three to six months. He says $110 is possible, while prices above $120 appear unlikely absent an unpredictable supply shock.

“And right now what we see is that, okay, the inventories are dropping, there's a lot of risk, but as of like maybe next 3 months and 6 months, we…”—

Intro

Max Wheatley introduces Jérémie Boyer of Aurelion Research and frames the discussion around five commodity views, with gold as the highest-conviction idea.

Why Gold Could Hit 5K

Boyer argues gold could reach $5,000 because it has decoupled from oil, attracted strong fund inflows, and benefits from Chinese central-bank buying.

Geopolitics Over Rates

The speakers explain that geopolitical risk, reserve diversification, and distrust of Treasuries now influence gold more than traditional interest-rate relationships alone.

Portfolio Positioning

Boyer describes Aurelion’s long-only equity strategy, roughly 25% to 30% commodity exposure, and a cautious prospective 5% to 7% allocation to gold miners.

Managing Miner Cycles

Aurelion manages mining cycles by emphasizing sizing, timing, low volatility, and willingness to trim winners rather than chase speculative extremes.

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Bearish Oil & Fertilizer

Boyer is less confident in fertilizer and more clearly bearish on crude oil, citing uncertain supply data, China’s weaker imports, and an increasingly balanced market.

Oil Thesis & China Inventories

The oil thesis centers on China’s demand reduction, hidden tanker and pipeline flows, rising inventories, and the possibility that markets are adapting to the Hormuz disruption.

Royalties as Exposure

Boyer says oil could rise again if U.S. troops enter Iran or attacks damage permanent energy infrastructure, but current bullish arguments rely too heavily on conflict speculation.

Valuing Royalty Companies

Aurelion does not own refiners but distinguishes profitable energy-linked equities and royalty businesses from a bullish view on the underlying oil price.

Why Uranium Now

Boyer favors royalty companies such as LandBridge because they offer durable, high-margin exposure with less operating risk than producers.

Uranium Contracts & Supply

Royalty companies can deserve premium valuations, so Aurelion compares historical multiples, peers, cash flow, and business quality rather than relying on simple P/E screens.

Energy Security and Nuclear Buildout

Boyer warns that concentrated private-equity ownership can create selling risk in royalty companies, although limited float may also reduce volatility.

Copper Bull Case in AI Era

Uranium’s current appeal combines longstanding nuclear demand with planned reactor construction in China, France, the United Kingdom, India, and elsewhere.

Picking Copper Stocks

Boyer argues uranium supply, not fuel cost, is the key issue and says Aurelion combines a major producer with a physical uranium holder to capture different exposures.

Five Commodities Recap

Energy-security concerns and decarbonization goals support nuclear buildout, while long lead times and continuous reactor operation could intensify uranium demand.

Closing and Where to Follow

Copper benefits from AI infrastructure, grid investment, and energy-transition demand, while constrained mine development and Aurelion’s stock selection support further upside.

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