PodcastThe Meb Faber ShowDavid Iben

The Asset That Could Be the Market’s Biggest Mispricing

The guest questions high U.S. equity valuations and argues that investors may be overlooking commodity reserves and other real assets, particularly as energy and materials make up less than 5% of the market. He points to potential mispricing in commodities, Ukrainian farmland, and selected companies, while warning that short-term narratives and historical market success can obscure valuation risks. He also discusses AI’s uncertain investment economics, nuclear power’s appeal, and the possibility that falling Brazilian rates could lift equities.

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South Korea’s market fell 25% during the political crisis described by the guest, then rebounded by a third after the military supported democracy and the president was removed. The guest also noted that MSCI classifies South Korea as emerging while FTSE classifies it as developed, and that his firm had found Korean companies at one-third of book value five years earlier.

The guest argues that AI’s real-world importance does not make AI companies attractive investments at any price, questioning whether firms valued at $2 trillion each can justify those valuations if profits are years away or never arrive. He makes the same distinction between long-term prospects and purchase price in the broader U.S. market, which he calls the most expensive by almost any metric.

The guest uses Japan’s 1989 market, when it represented half of the world index before crashing, and the early-1970s U.S. market as historical valuation warnings. He says today’s conditions resemble 1972–73 in combining extreme valuations with rising inflation, excessive fiscal policy and money supply, global skirmishes, and a handful of dominant, expensive stocks—but frames this as an analogy, not a forecast.

The guest sees electricity demand from AI and other uses as a reason to favor nuclear power, citing its ability to provide electricity without pollution or carbon at a competitive cost; he also described China’s CGN as a growth company whose reactors could be bought for far less than the cost of building reactors in most of the world. Separately, he says low natural-gas prices may need to rise to sustain supply, and argues that today’s energy and materials share below 5% of the U.S. market may make an explicit natural-resources or energy allocation necessary to match the exposure energy provided in the 1970s.

GEO-POLITICS

Korean Market Rebound — The guest says South Korea’s market fell 25% after the president tried to seize control, then quickly rebounded by a third after the military supported democracy and the president was removed.

“And so most people put it in the emerging market bucket, which means they don't own it…”—

TECHNOLOGY

AI Valuations — The guest says AI is real and will affect lives, but questions whether AI companies are worth $2 trillion each when they may be years from profits, if they ever earn them. He argues that an exciting business is not automatically a good investment.

“And so, yeah. Is AI real? Yeah, undoubtedly. You know, was it going to affect our life? Yes…”—

Nuclear Power — The guest favors nuclear power because AI and other uses need electricity, and nuclear can provide it without pollution or carbon at a competitive cost. He presents these as reasons he likes the sector, not as a guaranteed investment outcome.

“We say all right well we think nuclear power is a pretty good thing. we need power for AI and for a lot of other things…”—

ECONOMY

Money And Dollar — The guest estimates that since he was born, the money supply grew 111 times and debt 135 times, while the dollar lost more than 99% of its value. He contrasts that decline with gold’s rise from $35 to roughly $4,000.

“I did some calculations since I was born. I think the money supply has gone up what 111 times and the debt's gone up I think 135 times.”—

MARKETS

Reserve Valuations — The guest argues that commodity equities can be mispriced when investors focus on short-term production delays instead of underlying reserves. A three- or four-month delay does not change the value of 40 years of copper underground. He also criticizes models that hold the dollar fixed while assuming commodity prices decline, making longer-life reserves appear cheaper.

“You can have 40 years of copper underground and they set this elaborate cash flow model and if the company announces they're going to push their production back by 3…”—

Platinum Incentives — The guest says platinum was about $1,800, below the roughly $2,500 price a major producer said might prompt consideration of building a mine. More broadly, he argues that prices below the incentive level for new production can discourage mine development, leading to scarcity and upward price pressure.

“Famously with commodities. If things trade at a price below the incentive price to bring on more production, nobody brings on production…”—

Natural Gas Supply — The guest says natural gas prices are low while demand for U.S. and Canadian gas is in a good place. He thinks prices need to rise to keep supplies flowing.

“Natural gas prices are pretty low. Demand for US and Canadian gas seems to be in a good place right now…”—

FORECASTS

Brazilian Stocks — The speaker predicts that if interest rates fall in Brazil, its stock market will rise, drawing an analogy to the U.S. market’s historical run after rates declined from 22% to zero. He warns that investors focused on bond yields could miss equity gains if rates decline.

“And yeah, with hindsight, the answer is easy…”—

Starts

Iben argues that scarcity is overlooked in a market dominated by paper assets, and that commodity valuations often undervalue long-lived reserves; he sees platinum and natural gas as particularly inexpensive.

Dave Iben on investing in scarce assets

He favors public-market exposure to farmland and cites Ukrainian agricultural companies trading at steep discounts to Midwest land, with potential upside if food and land values catch up with inflation.

Accessing farmland and global agricultural assets through public markets

Iben describes value investing abroad as a way to exploit crowd-driven mispricing, highlighting South Korean companies that he considers sound businesses available far below comparable U.S. valuations.

Finding value in emerging markets, with a focus on South Korea

His process scales positions as upside improves and trims them as prices approach appraised value; he warns that strong U.S. businesses and AI’s real promise do not eliminate valuation risk.

Portfolio management, valuation risk in S&P 500 and AI stocks

Iben likens current conditions to 1972–73, when expensive equities, inflation pressures, and market concentration created risk, and argues for owning underweighted real assets and overlooked countries.

Historical parallels, underweighting the index, and finding stock ideas in unique countries

He assesses China and other Asian markets company by company, citing Chinese nuclear operator CGN, Philippine retailer SM, and inexpensive Indonesian resource and food businesses.

Investing in China, India, nuclear power, and other overlooked Asian markets

Iben sees Brazil’s pessimism and high interest rates as potential contrarian opportunities, expects equities to benefit if rates fall, and says AI should assist research without replacing human judgment.

Brazil, Argentina, scarcity, local sentiment, and the role of AI and human judgment

The conversation closes with information about Iben’s funds and website, followed by thanks and sign-off.

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