The Asset That Could Be the Market’s Biggest Mispricing
The guest questions high U.S. equity valuations and argues that investors may be overlooking commodity reserves and other real assets, particularly as energy and materials make up less than 5% of the market. He points to potential mispricing in commodities, Ukrainian farmland, and selected companies, while warning that short-term narratives and historical market success can obscure valuation risks. He also discusses AI’s uncertain investment economics, nuclear power’s appeal, and the possibility that falling Brazilian rates could lift equities.
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South Korea’s market fell 25% during the political crisis described by the guest, then rebounded by a third after the military supported democracy and the president was removed. The guest also noted that MSCI classifies South Korea as emerging while FTSE classifies it as developed, and that his firm had found Korean companies at one-third of book value five years earlier.
The guest argues that AI’s real-world importance does not make AI companies attractive investments at any price, questioning whether firms valued at $2 trillion each can justify those valuations if profits are years away or never arrive. He makes the same distinction between long-term prospects and purchase price in the broader U.S. market, which he calls the most expensive by almost any metric.
The guest uses Japan’s 1989 market, when it represented half of the world index before crashing, and the early-1970s U.S. market as historical valuation warnings. He says today’s conditions resemble 1972–73 in combining extreme valuations with rising inflation, excessive fiscal policy and money supply, global skirmishes, and a handful of dominant, expensive stocks—but frames this as an analogy, not a forecast.
The guest sees electricity demand from AI and other uses as a reason to favor nuclear power, citing its ability to provide electricity without pollution or carbon at a competitive cost; he also described China’s CGN as a growth company whose reactors could be bought for far less than the cost of building reactors in most of the world. Separately, he says low natural-gas prices may need to rise to sustain supply, and argues that today’s energy and materials share below 5% of the U.S. market may make an explicit natural-resources or energy allocation necessary to match the exposure energy provided in the 1970s.
GEO-POLITICS
“And so most people put it in the emerging market bucket, which means they don't own it…”—
TECHNOLOGY
“And so, yeah. Is AI real? Yeah, undoubtedly. You know, was it going to affect our life? Yes…”—
“We say all right well we think nuclear power is a pretty good thing. we need power for AI and for a lot of other things…”—
ECONOMY
“I did some calculations since I was born. I think the money supply has gone up what 111 times and the debt's gone up I think 135 times.”—
MARKETS
“You can have 40 years of copper underground and they set this elaborate cash flow model and if the company announces they're going to push their production back by 3…”—
“Famously with commodities. If things trade at a price below the incentive price to bring on more production, nobody brings on production…”—
“Natural gas prices are pretty low. Demand for US and Canadian gas seems to be in a good place right now…”—
FORECASTS
“And yeah, with hindsight, the answer is easy…”—
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Iben argues that scarcity is overlooked in a market dominated by paper assets, and that commodity valuations often undervalue long-lived reserves; he sees platinum and natural gas as particularly inexpensive.
Dave Iben on investing in scarce assets
He favors public-market exposure to farmland and cites Ukrainian agricultural companies trading at steep discounts to Midwest land, with potential upside if food and land values catch up with inflation.
Accessing farmland and global agricultural assets through public markets
Iben describes value investing abroad as a way to exploit crowd-driven mispricing, highlighting South Korean companies that he considers sound businesses available far below comparable U.S. valuations.
Finding value in emerging markets, with a focus on South Korea
His process scales positions as upside improves and trims them as prices approach appraised value; he warns that strong U.S. businesses and AI’s real promise do not eliminate valuation risk.
Portfolio management, valuation risk in S&P 500 and AI stocks
Iben likens current conditions to 1972–73, when expensive equities, inflation pressures, and market concentration created risk, and argues for owning underweighted real assets and overlooked countries.
Historical parallels, underweighting the index, and finding stock ideas in unique countries
He assesses China and other Asian markets company by company, citing Chinese nuclear operator CGN, Philippine retailer SM, and inexpensive Indonesian resource and food businesses.
Investing in China, India, nuclear power, and other overlooked Asian markets
Iben sees Brazil’s pessimism and high interest rates as potential contrarian opportunities, expects equities to benefit if rates fall, and says AI should assist research without replacing human judgment.
Brazil, Argentina, scarcity, local sentiment, and the role of AI and human judgment
The conversation closes with information about Iben’s funds and website, followed by thanks and sign-off.
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