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The Bond Market Pain Isn't Over | Weekly Roundup

The discussion argues that persistent inflationary pressure from AI capital spending, oil, diesel, and fiscal supply could keep rates and bond-market stress elevated. It also questions the breadth of economic and equity-market strength, citing heavy Magnificent 7 investment, passive concentration, and pressure on non-AI-linked companies. The speakers expect further strain across smaller businesses, regional banks, and lower-income households, while warning that policy errors or an AI-related credit event could destabilize markets.

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The speaker argues that AI investment has become an inflationary expansion fueled by leverage and extreme optimism, even though AI companies are not yet profitable and may not report profits for at least three years. He says this dynamic could push front-end rates toward 5% to 5.5%, weakening demand and the broader economy.

The discussion portrays financial conditions as tightening through several channels at once: the 10-year Treasury reached 5.22%, ZB futures fell almost 10 points over two and a half months, and elevated Treasury yields and diesel prices are pressuring borrowers. A small-business SBA working-capital loan can already carry a 12% to 13% rate on a maximum $200,000 loan.

The speakers argue that oil-driven supply shocks cannot be solved by rate hikes or conventional QE, while investors remain conditioned to expect the Fed and Treasury to respond to disruptions with liquidity support. That constraint is especially significant as the Treasury faces heavy financing pressure, with buybacks totaling $4 billion versus a planned $6 billion and the deficit potentially reaching $50 trillion by year-end or $1 trillion more.

The episode challenges the breadth of headline economic strength: the Magnificent 7's heavy investment and marked-up early Anthropic investments are supporting reported growth and profits, while more than 50% of S&P 500 constituents reportedly have negative beta to the index. The speaker also notes that major non-AI-linked companies have suffered large declines, leaving passive assets vulnerable if the post-1980s falling-rate and rising-index regime changes.

The speaker expects the lower half of the K-shaped economy to face a diesel and fertilizer cost squeeze over the next six to nine months, while weak cattle markets keep beef prices elevated. He also expects PCE to run hot over the next two months, suggesting continued pressure on household and business costs in his outlook.

GEO-POLITICS

Iran Support — The speaker says Iran is receiving munitions, equipment, drones, imagery, and intelligence from Russia and China. He describes Xi, Putin, and Iran as an aligned power center working to make matters difficult for Trump.

“They're getting munitions, they're getting equipment, they're getting drones, they're getting imagery, they're getting intel…”—

TECHNOLOGY

AI Bubble Risk — The speaker compares AI with the 2008 mortgage crisis and the dot-com bubble, arguing that leverage and greed have reached extreme levels. He says AI companies are not yet profitable and reportedly may not show profits for at least three years.

“Because I view AI in the very same vein that I viewed 2008 in the mortgage subprime crisis and the dotcom market…”—

ECONOMY

Delayed Unemployment — The speaker argues that reduced workforce participation and employers retaining workers could allow the economy to enter recession before unemployment spikes.

“The problem with jobs is we've reduced the participants available for the workforce that employers don't want to let people go and so that number is there's less and less…”—

AI Capex Rates — The speaker describes AI capital expenditure as an inflationary expansion across assets. He says front-end rates may need to reach 5% to 5.5%, while warning that such rates would reduce demand and hurt the economy.

“And AI capex is still a driver man…”—

Fiscal Pressure — The speaker says Treasury liquidity buybacks were planned at $6 billion but totaled only $4 billion. He adds that the deficit could reach $50 trillion by year-end or possibly $1 trillion more.

“Yeah. And I don't know. Go ahead…”—

MARKETS

Treasury Selloff — The 10-year Treasury closed at 5.22%. ZB futures fell almost 10 points over two and a half months after previously pricing rate cuts.

“I mean, just look at where we closed 5.22 on the 10-year. Yep…”—

Bond Demand — Pensions, endowments, and other investors may wait for higher yields before allocating to bonds. However, yields that become too high could damage the broader economy.

“The reality is if you've got money that you want to allocate into bonds, you're a pension, you're an endowment, you're you're you're you're managing you're managing money, you're putting…”—

Passive Concentration — The post-1980s market benefited from declining interest rates and sustained S&P 500 gains. Large amounts of assets are now held passively and could be vulnerable if that regime changes.

“A lot of modern theory is based on that fact that interest rates are just going to decline for four decades and the S&P is just going to rally because…”—

FORECASTS

TIPS Opportunity — The speaker views TIPS yielding roughly 2.83% to 2.84% as interesting. He says a move toward 3% would be important for market absorption.

“I think tips are interesting. You know, I mean, I think it's a 283, 284 right about now. So, you know, you're not that far away from a three…”—

Diesel Squeeze — The speaker expects diesel and fertilizer cost pass-through to squeeze the lower half of the K-shaped economy over the next six to nine months. Weak cattle markets are also keeping beef prices elevated.

“the lower half of the K is really struggling, you know, and they're the ones, the lower half of the K are going to get squeezed hard in the next…”—

Bond-Market Turn — The speaker says bonds and short-term rates are unlikely to turn bullish until hikes are finished, AI capex slows, crack spreads roll over, and equity indexes weaken materially. He says SOFR does not price a cut until December 2029.

“For me I don't believe that this bond market and stir market can shift can flip to a good favorable long until we get until we get some some real…”—

Intro

The hosts introduce veteran fixed-income trader DCP and examine the sharp rise in Treasury yields, especially the 30-year bond's nearly ten-point decline.

Why Bond Yields Keep Rising

DCP argues that yields need further upside before a durable bond rally, citing persistent AI capital spending, energy costs, inflation, and delayed labor-market weakness.

Can Main Street Survive Higher Rates?

Higher diesel, fertilizer, cattle, and food-service costs threaten smaller businesses and lower-income households, while the lower half of the K-shaped economy absorbs the pressure.

Can Treasury Stop The Selloff?

Treasury buybacks cannot offset enormous federal issuance, and DCP doubts Washington has enough fiscal capacity for meaningful intervention without broader structural changes.

What Can’t The Fed Fix?

The Fed cannot repair energy or supply shocks, and rate hikes may suppress demand without resolving oil-driven inflation or geopolitical disruptions.

Why Higher Yields Remain The Pain Trade

With SOFR pricing substantially more hikes and bond buyers remaining hesitant, DCP sees higher yields as the continuing pain trade until conditions materially change.

What Breaks The AI Boom?

The speakers identify concentrated AI investment and private-credit exposure as potential sources of a reversal, particularly if Oracle or related financing structures generate an unexpected credit event.

The Generational Bond Bull Market Is Over

A bear-steepening curve would mark the end of the decades-long decline in rates, challenging investors whose equity and bond assumptions depend on a persistent secular bull market.

Can Geopolitics Reverse The Selloff?

Geopolitical developments involving Iran, Russia, China, and the United States could trigger a market flush, but negotiations remain difficult and Iran may prefer waiting for a new administration.

How Do You Trade This Market?

Because no indicator reliably resolves the current setup, traders must think independently, use game theory, and remain willing to change positions rapidly as new information arrives.

Could 6% Yields Break Markets?

Six percent Treasury yields could remain economically manageable overall but would severely pressure refinancing, regional banks, CRA lending, private credit, and AI-related capital formation.

What Is The Market Hiding?

Market strength masks severe weakness among many non-AI companies, while Magnificent 7 concentration and passive flows allow major indices to rise despite broad constituent declines.

The Trade After Something Breaks

If something breaks, DCP prefers buying heavily oversold SOFR contracts and fading excessive rate-hike pricing rather than immediately forecasting an equity-market crash.

Would You Short The AI Leaders?

DCP would rather short an overvalued AI leader than already-damaged small caps, viewing AI's unprofitable leverage and speculative expectations as vulnerable to a destabilizing event.

Final Thoughts and Key Trade Levels

The guests close with key levels in SOFR, ZB, and the S&P, emphasizing conditional positioning, possible policy mistakes, and the need to reassess after markets move.

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