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Col. Macgregor: 'Dollar Collapse, Bank Runs, Global Depression' If War Doesn't End NOW

The discussion presents the Middle East and Ukraine wars as drivers of geopolitical realignment, with Russia, Iran, and China challenging American influence across Eurasia. It links that conflict risk to vulnerabilities in debt, banking, currencies, energy infrastructure, and market concentration, while highlighting gold, commodities, Bitcoin, and domestic industrial capacity as potential alternatives or strategic assets. The guest’s outlook is notably conditional, including a forecast for gold to reach $15,000 per ounce within two to three years if the war continues and its outcome is worse than expected.

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The guest portrays the Middle East war as ongoing despite repeated claims of an imminent deal, while the host describes oil and broad-market prices reversing when peace expectations change. The guest also says delivered physical oil is already costing $140 per barrel and that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is nearing its lower limit.

The episode frames Russia, Iran, and China as a coordinated challenge to U.S. influence across Eurasia, with China building a gold-centered alternative and potentially drawing heavily indebted countries toward BRICS. The guest argues that Russia’s industrial and military buildup—including more than 2.4 million personnel—contrasts with an exhausted Ukraine and Europe’s political instability.

The speaker argues that Iran’s 93 million people, mountainous terrain, deserts, and dispersed population centers make the country difficult for most U.S. systems to attack. On that basis, he recommends disengaging from the Iran-related conflict, withdrawing from vulnerable overseas bases, and returning to a noninterventionist model.

The guest links rising sovereign debt and central-bank gold buying to a potential repricing of gold, citing U.S. federal debt increasing from $0.9 trillion in 1980 to $39 trillion today. He forecasts gold at $15,000 per ounce within two to three years if the war continues and its outcome is worse than expected, versus Soloway’s $13,000 forecast for 2030–2031.

The episode highlights a broader U.S. debt and financial-system vulnerability: bond yields are cited at 4.7%, with 5% described as a level that could create severe debt-servicing stress, while interest costs already exceed the defense budget and total more than $1 trillion. The guest warns that continued war involvement could bring bank runs, currency collapse, and a global depression rather than only a hard recession.

GEO-POLITICS

War Continuation — The guest argues that the Middle East war continues despite repeated claims that a deal is imminent, which he says manipulate markets and public expectations. He also says the Ukraine war could end this year, depending on Russia’s actions, while portraying Putin as seeking to avoid direct war with NATO or the United States.

“Well, first of all, the war is not over and that's something that is not widely believed here…”—

Europe’s Nuclear Dependence — France retained its nuclear power plants, while Germany is plugging into nuclear power from France. The contrast illustrates divergent European energy policies and cross-border dependence.

“So, though you know there's a combination of adaptation overseas in many countries. And of course in some places you still have nuclear power…”—

Eurasian Powers — The guest identifies Russia, Iran, and China as the leading challenge to American hegemony. He argues that their rise has pushed U.S. military and financial power off the Eurasian continent, contrasts Western linear thinking with an Asian emphasis on cycles, and says India, China, and Iran will grow as great powers.

“Well, I would argue most of the world, but who's leading it? Russia, Iran, and China. Those three great powers…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Bitcoin’s Crisis Utility — The guest says Bitcoin could serve as a store of wealth and an alternative means of doing business during a fiat-currency crisis, while acknowledging that he is not certain. He cites Iranian acceptance of Bitcoin payments from ships as an example.

“Now, I don't think it's hopeless because even though we may have a fiat currency crisis, I'm one of these people, and this is going to sound strange to some…”—

ECONOMY

Japan’s Yen Crisis — The speaker argues that support measures have postponed rather than resolved a potential collapse of the yen and Japan. He warns that Japan’s weakness would have a major impact on the United States.

“Just as people are saying, "Oh well, the war is over and everything's going to go back to normal." It won't. You're never going to go back to normal…”—

Debt-Service Stress — The guest highlights rising interest rates and bond yields, citing a 4.7% level and warning that 5% would create severe debt-servicing stress. He says interest costs already exceed the defense budget and total more than $1 trillion.

“I think you know, we're having trouble understanding why interest rates are rising and bond yields are rising.”—

MARKETS

Gold Repricing — The speaker links gold’s safe-haven appeal to federal debt rising from $0.9 trillion in 1980 to $14.8 trillion in 2011 and $39 trillion today. He defines repricing as global money outrunning gold’s near-fixed quantity and says central banks continue buying gold.

“And he points out that the federal debt you know, in 1980 was 0.9 trillion. Today, then it went to 14.8 trillion in 2011. 39 trillion today…”—

Conflict Market Volatility — The host describes a market reaction in which oil falls and the broad market rises when peace appears likely. Renewed war expectations reverse those moves.

“We've seen both the broad market and especially the energy market be very affected when it looks like peace is on the table, the oil market falls, the broad market…”—

Fuel Inflation — The speaker says market manipulation has postponed rather than eliminated inflationary pressure, with gasoline prices varying by location. He says delivered physical oil already costs $140 per barrel and that the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is nearing its lower limit.

“What Trump has done by manipulating the markets is postpone a lot of the pain. Now, we still have a rise in prices for things…”—

FORECASTS

Gold Price Forecast — The speaker contrasts Soloway’s forecast of gold reaching $13,000 per ounce by 2030–2031 with his own forecast of $15,000 per ounce within two to three years. His forecast is conditional on the war continuing and the conflict’s outcome being worse than expected.

“I think Soloway said, "We'll be paying $13,000 an ounce by 2030 2031." If everything stays the same as it is now, that's going to happen.”—

Coming Up

Macgregor argues that the Iran war continues despite public claims of imminent negotiations, with Trump reportedly preparing further strikes under pressure from pro-Israel political and financial interests.

Iran Was Isn't Ending

The guest says Trump and aligned media outlets manipulate war-related market expectations, benefiting insiders while promoting the same interventionist networks behind conflicts involving Iran and Russia.

Insider Trading Off War

Macgregor predicts Hormuz disruptions will eventually produce severe energy and supply-chain consequences, although market manipulation and international adaptation have temporarily delayed shortages and inflation.

When Will Hormuz Closure Effects Hit?

He presents gold as protection against unsustainable debt, currency instability, and central-bank demand, forecasting $15,000 per ounce within two or three years if the war worsens.

Is Gold Still a Safe Haven?

Macgregor warns that continued escalation could trigger global depression, bank runs, currency collapse, and a shift toward gold-based trade, Bitcoin, and alternative financial blocs led by China and Russia.

Outcome of War Worse Than You Think

He recommends resource-linked assets including gold, oil, copper, uranium, food, and other commodities, while urging Canada and the United States to rebuild refining capacity and strategic industrial sovereignty.

Which Commodities Will Benefit?

Russia's military and industrial capabilities have expanded, while Ukraine is exhausted; Macgregor believes Russia could seize additional territory but remains restrained from directly attacking NATO supporters.

Russia-Ukraine Heating Up

He links Europe's instability to mass migration, public insecurity, and failing governments, predicting revolutionary political change as citizens lose patience with leaders unable to protect national borders.

Mass Migration To Spain

Macgregor alleges that foreign-backed networks encouraged migration into Europe, portraying the Ceuta episode and broader demographic pressures as deliberate threats to Spanish and European sovereignty.

Is There Hope at the End of This?

He rejects linear Western assumptions, urging American disengagement from Eurasian wars, domestic reindustrialization, border protection, and a confident third-party movement centered on diplomacy and national renewal.

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