10-8-26 Is the Term Premium Misleading the Fed?
The discussion weighs the uncertain term premium against other drivers of Treasury yields, with Michael and Lance offering different estimates and arguing that yields are too high. It also examines signs of pressure on household finances, including rising credit use, low savings, and withdrawals from investment accounts, alongside low consumer sentiment. Market themes include a high bar for earnings, rate-sensitive stocks, and the possibility of broader participation if yields ease; Lance also cautions that the S&P 500’s new highs are not a confirmed breakout.
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Household spending support looks increasingly constrained: consumer credit has accelerated and people across income brackets are drawing from investment accounts, while the savings rate is near a 50-year low. Michael also says sentiment measures are deeply depressed but have little correlation with spending, and notes that PCE is running above what his 19-point consumer health index indicates.
The speakers disagree on the term premium—Lance estimates about 1%, while Michael puts it near 70 basis points—and Michael cautions that it is an uncertain measure with no single correct calculation. He argues that using it to guide Fed policy could lead to a mistake, and says yields could fall further if the Iran war ends and oil-related inflation expectations decline by about 50 basis points.
Lance frames Treasury yields as an opportunity-cost comparison: a 10-year yield of 5.2% looks less attractive against an assumed 10%–15% stock return, but he estimates that at 40 times earnings, historical decade-ahead equity returns would range from -2% to +2%, with 3% inflation. He says the Treasury yield in that example comes close to covering opportunity and inflation costs, consistent with his view that bond pricing depends on repayment risk and whether interest income outpaces inflation and growth.
ECONOMY
“points higher. Like, okay, you know, everyone has their opinion…”—
“And this has had a very very sharp increase really since the beginning of this year…”—
“One of them was sentiment. And interestingly, what I found was that sentiment has almost no correlation with the amount of money we spent. Right…”—
MARKETS
“As we talked about before, that's unusual. Normally, we're cutting estimates going into earning season as you know kind of over optimism starts to meet up with reality…”—
“Same thing this morning…”—
“But with the bond market, it is it is primarily driven by fundamentals. If I'm going to loan Michael money today, I need to factor in a couple of things…”—
FORECASTS
“It looks like and we talked about yesterday that the breakout to new highs to be careful of that because until that is confirmed then we don't really have a…”—
“And as we've talked about before in midterm election years, the average return for the fourth quarter is about 6.6%. that occurs 16 out of 19 midterm election years…”—
“Yesterday we were kind of back to weakness in small caps and midcaps after after a brief little pop higher, but that was due to interest rates…”—
INTRO
Lance opens with a playful discussion of possible show merchandise before introducing the Real Investment Show and its financial-information mission.
Earnings Season & Optimistic Guidance
Lance says earnings expectations have risen unusually going into the season, with more companies guiding higher than lower and a high bar for upcoming reports.
Bond Auctions & Interest Rate Dynamics
Lance describes strong demand at the 10-year Treasury auction and explains how bond-auction pressure, oil prices, and yields are influencing stocks.
Markets Sitting at all-time highs...
Lance cautions that the S&P 500's brief record high is not a confirmed breakout and could give way to a retest of clustered moving-average support.
Earnings Announcements Should Help Support Markets
Lance expects earnings reports and upbeat guidance to offer market support, while warning that the market is overbought and has mostly consolidated for months.
Election Year Market Performance
Lance notes that midterm-election fourth quarters have historically tended to perform well, but stresses that the pattern is not guaranteed.
Commentary on Laurie Logan Commentary
Michael and Lance examine Dallas Fed President Lorie Logan's case for higher rates and question relying on the uncertain term premium to guide Fed policy.
What is the Term Premium - Decomposes the Yield
Michael explains that the term premium is an imprecise estimate of the yield component not explained by expected short-term rates and other fundamentals.
Constraints to Yields - What Goes Into a 10-Year Yield (chart)
Lance breaks down Treasury yields into inflation compensation, real rates, and term premium, arguing that market supply and demand constrain the premium.
Three Fed Models (chart) Set the Fed up for a Mistake
Michael and Lance compare their term-premium estimates with three Fed models and find a wide range that makes the measure an unreliable policy compass.
When you buy bonds, you are the lender
Michael and Lance warn that treating uncertain term-premium estimates as grounds for rate decisions could lead the Fed into a policy mistake.
Why Do We Like Bonds Today?
Lance explains that bond buyers effectively lend money and should assess inflation, credit risk, expected growth, and the opportunity cost of other investments.
Preview: 5% Bond Yields?
Michael and Lance argue that Treasury yields appear roughly 75 to 100 basis points too high, while noting that future inflation expectations also matter.
Consumer Credit Creation: How Money is Lent into Existence (chart)
Lance previews an article explaining 5% bond yields, how bond pricing works, and how investors might use bonds in a portfolio.
Consumer Health Index (chart)
Lance says rising consumer credit creation is adding money to the economy and helping sustain spending despite weak consumer sentiment.
Shares of Individuals Making Net Withdrawals from Investment Accounts (chart)
Michael describes a consumer-health index built from household data and says sentiment has little relationship to actual spending in his analysis.
Should taxes on Bond interest be eliminated? (Tweet)
Lance and Michael note record-low consumer sentiment readings, while discussing the political and economic factors behind households' pessimism.
No One is Talking About the US Dollar
Michael's index suggests consumer spending is stronger than underlying household conditions imply, with low savings and other forces helping explain the gap.
Why You Should Buy a House now
Michael points to population growth, rising credit, government transfers, and stock-market wealth as supports for consumer spending.
Winter is Coming
Lance and Michael observe that people across income groups are withdrawing from investment accounts, adding to credit use to maintain spending and signaling vulnerability.
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