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High Yields To Pull Asset Prices Down | Danielle Park

Danielle Park links higher rates to renewed discipline in borrowing and capital allocation, disinflationary pressure, and a continuing housing adjustment in Canada and the U.S. She points to weak market breadth, elevated valuations, widening lower-grade credit spreads, and refinancing needs as risks to asset prices, while noting that higher yields have restored income opportunities in savings and bonds. Forecasts in the discussion include further housing declines, potentially higher Treasury yields, and poor long-term equity returns at current valuations.

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Danielle Park says easy financing has encouraged AI capacity expansion even as revenue per user weakens and pricing faces pressure, which she sees as a possible sign of a late-stage investment cycle. She also says AI-related spending, including data-center construction, probably supported U.S. growth above 3% in Q3, while Nvidia and Meta were holding up a market with weak breadth.

Park argues that post-GFC easy money fueled debt growth and undisciplined capital allocation, while higher rates are now restoring rate discipline as borrowers renew debt at more oppressive payments. She says the strain could reach beyond leveraged investors: losses may spill into the broader economy, where job losses are possible, and about $1.4 trillion of investment-grade corporate debt is due for renewal by 2030 at higher borrowing costs.

Park expects higher rates to add disinflationary pressure, including deflation in some areas, and says easing rent pressure could matter because shelter represents roughly one-third to 40% of CPI. At the same time, she says the Iran war pushed fuel prices higher and that fuel costs feed into other economic inputs; she also notes that high oil prices can eventually suppress demand and encourage supply.

Park expects U.S. and Canadian home values to decline over the next couple of years as affordability remains stretched: prices are about 5.2 times median income in the U.S., 8.9 times in Canada, and 10 times in Toronto and Vancouver. She says the adjustment could continue for a couple more years, consistent with housing cycles that typically take five to seven years, while Canadian mortgage rates have risen from about 1.3% to above 4.5% and rate buydowns near 3% have not been enough to generate demand.

Canadian mortgage renewals may intensify household payment pressure: mortgages make up 70%–74% of household debt, and about 12% of outstanding mortgages are due to renew in 2027 facing an estimated 15% rate increase. In the U.S., Park says roughly half of outstanding mortgages carry rates above 4% despite many borrowers having locked in rates below 2%, while refinance applications were down 56% year over year in September.

Park says the U.S. 10-year Treasury yield had risen 130 basis points in seven months—more than the roughly 80-basis-point increases she cites at the peaks of the 2000, 2007, and 2022 cycles—and believes a risk-correction phase has begun but may have further to run. Credit stress is also emerging: CCC-and-lower-rated spreads have widened to November 2022 levels, and the spread between that debt and BB debt is at its widest since the mid-1990s, though John says it is not yet an alarm bell.

Park says the TSX has limited diversification value because of its strong correlation with other markets, while U.S., Japanese, and Canadian market capitalizations each exceed 200% of GDP, raising mean-reversion risk. Separately, John says U.S. large-cap stocks are at a CAPE of 40.5, the 99th percentile, and the speakers see risk of lower prices as valuations mean-revert alongside widening credit spreads.

TECHNOLOGY

AI Investment Cycle — Danielle Park says easy financing and investor demand have encouraged AI companies to expand capacity as revenue per user weakens and pricing faces pressure. She sees this combination as a sign that the AI investment cycle may be late-stage.

“And of course, you know, the AI thing, we all are using AI in various ways…”—

ECONOMY

Debt And Rate Discipline — Danielle Park argues that easy-money policies after the GFC fueled debt growth, speculation, and undisciplined capital allocation. As borrowers renew debt at higher rates, some find payments oppressive—a return of rate discipline, in her view.

“I'm a person who dislikes easy money policies because I know from experience that all easy money does is grow debt and it's grown debt in epic proportions in you…”—

Rate-Driven Disinflation — Danielle Park argues that pandemic-era low rates contributed to inflation in housing, autos, and consumer goods. She expects higher rates to add disinflationary pressure, with deflation in some areas and disinflation in others.

“it's also you know a function of the low rates was also some of the inflation that we are still contending with in the system both in housing but also…”—

Leverage Spillovers — The speakers say that flushing out highly leveraged investors could hurt even portfolio holders who are not leveraged themselves. Park says those losses can spill into the broader economy, with job losses possible.

“Even people who have been responsible, who still own those assets, not without leverage, but they just own them in their portfolios, there may be a painful process for them…”—

MARKETS

Housing Correction — Park describes Canadian real estate as being in a deepening correction, with prices falling and affordability improving. She says U.S. home prices had not yet declined nationally year over year, while yields had returned to nearly 25-year highs.

“not just real estate in Canada. The cycle continues that I have flagged has actually deepened in the sense that prices have been coming down significantly…”—

Mortgage Affordability — Park says Canadian five-year mortgage rates rose from about 1.3% to more than 4.5%. Builders have bought down rates to around 3% on some new builds, but she says that has not generated enough demand because prices remain too high.

“So this is just the 5-year mortgage rates. Again, we had, you know, a record low of about 1.3 5-year rates. We're now facing, you know, more than 4.5.”—

Potential Housing Supply — Park argues that owners of multiple properties could add housing supply if they reduce their real-estate exposure. She notes that people over 55 make up 30% of the U.S. population, own more than half of the housing market, and one in five has multiple properties.

“So again, when people talk about where will the supply come from, my theory for some time has been with a family sitting on a couple of extra properties, there's…”—

FORECASTS

Housing Outlook — Park expects U.S. and Canadian home values to decline over the next couple of years, creating better conditions for aspiring buyers. She says prices in major centers may fall further and affordability remains stretched: home prices are about 5.2 times median household income in the U.S., 8.9 times in Canada, and 10 times in Toronto and Vancouver.

“And also for those waiting to buy a home, prices have come down sharply because rates are higher…”—

Housing Cycle Timing — Park says Chinese residential property prices were still falling after six years despite mortgage rates around 3%, and Canadian prices had been falling for four and a half years. She expects the housing adjustment to continue in Canada and the U.S. for a couple more years; she says such cycles typically take five to seven years.

“I spoke of the fact that in my view China has been the leading market because we really you know after the GFC they reinflated the world economy through building…”—

Bitcoin And Tech Risk — Park views Bitcoin’s weakness as a barometer of risk appetite: after falling by half and bouncing, it weakened again in a recent selloff. She suggests technology stocks could follow Bitcoin lower, potentially weighing on the S&P and the economy.

“So, the fact that I know it's Bitcoin bounced a bit…”—

Higher rates as a constructive force that restores discipline

Dramatically better yields for savers and investors

Whether a full reckoning/flush of excesses is still needed

Key differences between the Canadian and U.S. housing markets

U.S. 10-year Treasury yield back near multi-decade highs

Oil prices (not just U.S. deficits) driving inflation fears

Whether AI spending is masking the impact of higher rates

U.S. mortgage rates, refinancing collapse, and 30-year fixed dynamics

Canadian mortgage renewal cliff and rising defaults

Scale of housing price declines and remaining overvaluation

Price-to-income multiples still extreme in both countries

Boomer-owned second homes and cottages as latent supply

Airbnb bust, “rage delisting,” and rising motivated sellers

Softening rents and the disinflationary effect of shelter costs

Rising delinquencies and consumer confidence near 2007 levels

Extreme tech concentration, weak breadth, and late-stage AI cycle

Bitcoin as a real-time barometer of risk appetite

Canadian market concentration in financials and precious metals

Gold and silver still overbought after acting like risk assets

Fixed-income yields back above 4% globally

Record-low equity risk premium and high CAPE valuations

Why near-retirees should consider far lower equity allocations (~30%)

Overall outlook: material equity correction ahead, bonds as a safer ride

Expected duration of the adjustment (real estate vs. equities) and policy wild cards

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