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'There's No Deposits Anywhere' - Why $7 Copper is Only the Beginning: Ian Harris

Ian Harris argues that copper faces a structural, long-term supply problem rooted in scarce viable deposits, lengthy permitting timelines, and insufficient capital, even as electrification, data centers, and digitalization support demand. He believes copper demand could remain resilient through an AI or equity-market bubble and a global recession, while new supply would require roughly $250 billion of investment and at least 20 years to develop. Harris predicts copper will rise above $7 and could go substantially higher, while the host notes that copper-mining equities have already outperformed the metal.

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Harris describes copper's challenge as a structural shortage of viable deposits and development capacity, not simply inadequate current production: permitting can take about 14 years, discovery through permitting about 20 years, and solving the problem could require at least 20 years. Even historically high prices have not materially increased supply, while Antamina's billion-dollar expansion would add only about 70,000 tons annually.

Copper demand is being supported by several long-term forces, including electrification, electric vehicles, aging U.S. infrastructure, data-center construction, and broader digitalization. Harris believes this demand could remain resilient even if an AI or equity-market bubble bursts or a global recession occurs because governments and companies may continue pursuing AI and productivity investment.

The market's tightness is visible in both inventories and the limited scale of new projects: copper stocks that had appeared historically high represented only about 14 days of supply and fell sharply within roughly three months, while the growing deficit has not prompted a meaningful supply response. Harris estimates that addressing the shortfall would require roughly $250 billion of investment, excluding discovery spending.

The scale of deposits needed to change the industry is itself a constraint: Harris says major producers increasingly need deposits of at least one billion tons and prefer mine lives of 40 to 60 years, yet few such deposits are near the surface or outside major companies' control. This reinforces his view that copper's supply problem is a medium- to long-term issue rather than one that can be quickly solved through incremental expansions.

GEO-POLITICS

Political Mining Windows — Harris argues that major mines are built when national need aligns with political opportunity. He cites Ecuador's debt pressures and lower oil prices as conditions that helped enable Mirador and Fruta del Norte, while Panama's growth needs created similar political will.

“But we said, based on the experience of how Cobre Panama got built and definitely how Mirador got built, these happen in political windows, right?…”—

ECONOMY

AI-Driven Copper Demand — Harris believes copper demand could remain resilient even if an AI or equity-market bubble bursts or a global recession occurs. Governments and companies, he argues, will continue pursuing AI and digitalization as growth and productivity strategies, supporting copper demand.

“I don't the equity market might pop, but the transential necessity of nations and companies to be first and foremost in the AI race will not stop. Right?…”—

MARKETS

Inventory Drawdown — Harris says copper inventories that had appeared historically high represented only about 14 days of supply. They had fallen sharply within roughly three months, contributing to current market tightness.

“I just don't believe that traders have a long-term vision, right? They have a tendency to look at short-term fundamentals…”—

Development Delays — Harris identifies copper's shortage as a deposit and development problem, rather than merely a lack of current production. Brownfield options have been exhausted; permitting can take about 14 years, while discovery through permitting can take about 20 years. Individual projects may require nearly a decade just to sink a shaft or reach first production.

“Problem in copper is not a production problem. It's a deposit problem…”—

China Copper Cycle — Harris recalls that during China's previous development-led copper cycle, copper rose about 50% annually for three consecutive years. That produced roughly a 200% overall increase.

“When the last run when China was doing all this development copper what I like about copper is it's just a juggernaut. It's just it isn't these hot spikes…”—

FORECASTS

Copper Above $7 — Ian Harris predicts that copper will rise above $7 and says it could go substantially higher. He frames stronger prices as necessary to incentivize new production.

“Yeah, and I mean, we've been seeing this story for a long time and now it's kind of playing out…”—

Disclaimer

Jesse Day and Ian Harris discuss copper’s latest record highs, unusually tight inventories, tariff uncertainty, and Harris’s conviction that prices will exceed $7 and ultimately move much higher.

Copper Keeps Hitting New Highs

Harris argues that copper’s central challenge is geological scarcity rather than temporary production disruptions, with few viable deposits, lengthy permitting, and electrification-driven demand creating a structural deficit.

Supply Side Constraints

The aging United States power grid must support data centers, electric vehicles, clean-energy generation, and expanded transmission, multiplying copper requirements while deferred maintenance leaves infrastructure increasingly vulnerable.

Copper Needed for US Power Grid

Even if an AI and equity-market bubble bursts alongside a global recession, Harris believes copper demand will remain resilient because governments and businesses will continue digitalization to pursue productivity, growth, and strategic advantage.

What is the Bear Case For Copper?

Copper Giant is advancing the billion-ton Mocoa project in underexplored Colombia, supported by strategic financing, community engagement, a favorable political environment, and an early offtake agreement with Trafigura.

Where Does Copper Giant Fit In?

Harris says Copper Giant’s strengthened balance sheet, Colombian execution record, high-grade near-surface resource, infrastructure, and expected PEA position Mocoa among the projects capable of delivering new copper relatively soon.

The Stock Has Soared - Still Undervalued?

Despite Copper Giant’s 135% year-to-date share-price gain, Harris considers the company undervalued relative to comparable deposits and believes its valuation can rise substantially as Mocoa is progressively de-risked.

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