PodcastThe Monetary Matters NetworkEd Zitron

The AI Bubble is Bleeding Cash, Part 2: Anthropic's Receipts | Ed Zitron

Zitron questions the durability of Anthropic’s and OpenAI’s economics, pointing to concentrated revenue, continuing compute costs, large commitments, and run-rate figures he considers unreliable. He argues that data-center demand, project margins, and financing terms may not justify the scale of investment, with potential strains extending to companies and lenders tied to the buildout. The discussion also raises broader risks to GDP and markets if AI investment falters, alongside concerns about Oracle refinancing and a possible downturn in private credit and venture capital.

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Zitron argues that AI companies’ reported profitability can obscure the recurring investment needed to train and maintain models: he cites Anthropic spending $2.75 to generate a dollar of revenue, questions profitability after an $8 billion annual loss, and compares model investment to oil companies’ drilling costs. He also says rising revenue may not resolve Anthropic’s cash-flow needs because costs rise with revenue, while OpenAI is projected to spend $750 billion on compute through 2030.

Zitron describes concentrated counterparties on both sides of Anthropic’s business: about 47% of its revenue comes through Google and Amazon reselling its models, while 80% of Anthropic’s and OpenAI’s revenue comes from 1% of customers. Against that concentration, he cites Anthropic’s $518 billion in compute commitments, including $413 billion that are non-cancellable, as significant counterparty and financing risk relative to its $11.5 billion latest-quarter revenue.

Zitron questions headline AI revenue run rates because they can annualize a short period or non-recurring activity: he says OpenAI’s reported $70 billion run rate rose from $40 billion in a month, estimates its full-year revenue at $36 billion, and describes Anthropic’s $65 billion July figure as based on one day’s revenue multiplied by 365. He says unconfirmed online estimates show Anthropic’s run rate flattening while OpenAI grows and takes market share back.

Zitron argues that data-center economics may be strained by both financing costs and uncertain demand: he says even 30%–40% gross margins may not cover 10%–13% debt costs, and that OpenAI and Anthropic account for 80% of demand. He also cites CoreWeave’s estimated 13% financing cost on repriced bonds and analysts’ estimate that it may need to raise another $100 billion over four years.

Zitron points to a disconnect between AI-linked market enthusiasm and practical constraints: Oracle performed well after OpenAI’s reported $70 billion annualized run rate, despite its Port Washington data center lacking needed power. He also says Oracle is close to losing investment-grade status, which could force some funds to sell its bonds and make refinancing debt raised at 2.8% cost 5%–8%.

Zitron says debt markets may be less receptive to AI infrastructure financing than stock-market excitement suggests: he identifies debt as one source of planned AI capital expenditure and notes that an Amazon bond sale was subscribed 1.6 times, below the three to four times he says is generally desired. He predicts some bond sales could fail or require uneconomic rates, and warns that private-credit debt tied to volatile, low-margin data-center projects could go unpaid, identifying Blue Owl as heavily involved.

TECHNOLOGY

Spending Efficiency — Zitron says Anthropic spent $2.75 to generate a dollar of revenue in 2025, versus $2.60 at OpenAI, making Anthropic slightly less efficient by this measure.

“They spent $2.75 to make a buck. Open AAI did $2.60. So, kind of the same, but Anthropic just mildly worse.”—

Revenue Concentration — Zitron says about 47% of Anthropic’s revenue came through Google and Amazon reselling its models, even though both companies also compete with Anthropic. He adds that 80% of Anthropic’s and OpenAI’s revenue comes from 1% of their customers, predominantly AI startups, leaving both businesses dependent on a narrow group of counterparties.

“So about 47% of Anthropic's revenue came through sales from Google and an Amazon reselling their models which is a worrying concentration risk considering Amazon fed $50 billion to OpenAI…”—

Profitability Questions — Zitron says adjusted profitability does not mean Anthropic is profitable. He says its reported Q2 profitability was likely helped by Elon Musk discounting its compute, and questions how a company that lost $8 billion in a year turned profitable. Anthropic’s 2026 results would need to be much stronger, he says, or the company would be in distress.

“We've had these stories about anthropic hitting profitability, but it's on an adjusted basis, which means it is not profitable. So, I mean, people are going to push part.”—

ECONOMY

Inflation Policy — Zitron argues that price gouging has caused inflation and says the government should address it through financial and company regulation, including existing price-gouging laws, rather than relying on the Fed.

“Inflation is a result of price gouging across the board and it has been for years and the media has failed on this and the only way the government could…”—

Software GDP — The speakers say GDP growth from software sales is running at roughly its historical pace. They explain that the BLS assigns value to software features through a hedonic multiplier, and say it will take until the middle of next year to assess the effect of companies adding AI to software.

“When you actually look at the GDP growth that comes from even with real GDP, even though that's kind of wanked around with how software is measured by the BLS…”—

MARKETS

Broadcom Financing — Zitron says Broadcom still carries debt from its 2023 VMware acquisition as growth in that revenue slows. He also cites a report that Broadcom might raise another $60 billion to $100 billion, describing its strategy as risky.

“It's just an equity investment. Perhaps they have some risk in the future of the net income cut, but nowhere near as bad as taking on $35 billion of debt…”—

IPO Timing — Zitron says Anthropic filed its S-1, but its IPO timing remained unclear; he describes reports of repeated delays as peculiar. He also says the timing of OpenAI’s 2026 IPO was uncertain.

“So you know a few months ago people were saying that OpenAI is going to go public in 2026 and that anthropic could go public as soon as September…”—

Index Concentration — Zitron says the S&P 500 is too heavily weighted toward big tech and that cash flows elsewhere in the index are lacking, contributing to market cynicism.

“The S&P 500's way too weighed on the big tech companies. The rest of the S&P 500, the cash flows aren't there…”—

FORECASTS

Oracle Refinancing — Zitron says Oracle is close to losing its investment-grade rating. A downgrade by Moody’s and S&P could force funds barred from holding junk-rated bonds to sell, raising Oracle’s borrowing costs. He says Oracle must refinance debt raised in 2020 at 2.8%, which could then cost 5%–8%, and cites SoftBank’s $11 billion borrowing at barely below 10%.

“The other problem that Oracle has is that they are dangerously close to being downgraded…”—

Bond Sale Risk — Zitron predicts a bond sale could fail or require a rate that makes the financing untenable. He points to an Amazon bond sale that received 1.6 times subscription, compared with the three to four times he says is generally desired.

“How the hell does this work? How the hell does any of this work? And the answer is I think that it just breaks at some point…”—

Private Credit Losses — Zitron predicts that much of the private-credit debt could go unpaid because lenders are exposed to volatile data-center projects that are difficult to complete and have poor margins. He identifies Blue Owl as heavily involved in these deals.

“In fact, I think most of the private credit debt doesn't get paid here…”—

Intro

The host introduces Reuters’ reported figures, and Zitron argues Anthropic lost more per revenue dollar than OpenAI in 2025, with nearly half its revenue routed through Amazon and Google.

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Anthropic's S-1: A Worse Business Than OpenAI in 2025

Zitron argues Anthropic’s 2025 losses, concentrated reseller revenue, opaque profitability claims, and enormous compute obligations undermine its reputation as a more sustainable business than OpenAI.

$518 Billion in Compute Commitments

Zitron details Anthropic’s $518 billion in compute commitments, including non-cancellable contracts and Broadcom TPU arrangements, and warns that counterparties and lenders could face substantial exposure.

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Why AI Run Rates Can't Be Trusted

Zitron criticizes AI companies’ undefined run-rate claims, including annualizing brief periods of activity, and calls for audited figures and stronger disclosure requirements.

Is Anthropic's Growth Plateauing?

The speakers discuss whether Anthropic’s growth is flattening as OpenAI regains momentum, while noting that token billing, large contracts, and reported run rates obscure actual revenue trends.

Why Anthropic's IPO Keeps Getting Delayed

Zitron says Anthropic’s delayed IPO may reflect weak financials and investor concerns, alongside market concentration, AI-safety messaging, and uncertainty about its ability to fund massive commitments.

Meta's Muse, OpenAI's Dots, and the Agent Hype

Zitron questions the commercial value and costs of Meta’s Muse and OpenAI’s Dots, arguing that agent hype overlooks infrastructure burdens, privacy risks, and unclear revenue models.

Can AI Win Over the Public?

Zitron argues AI’s public image is difficult to improve because consumers see little tangible benefit, while data-center investment and chip demand can raise costs and worsen everyday affordability.

The AI Debt Problem: CoreWeave, Oracle, and SPVs

Zitron warns that high borrowing costs, weak project economics, and refinancing needs threaten CoreWeave, Oracle, and data-center special-purpose vehicles tied to AI buildout.

Will Private Credit Get Paid Back?

Zitron doubts private-credit lenders will reliably be repaid, citing project delays, mounting interest, repeated borrowing, fragile customer financing, and lenders’ exposure across the data-center ecosystem.

Where AI Will Be a Year From Now

Zitron predicts that AI’s capital demands could trigger failed projects, weaker technology stocks, and broader economic strain, arguing that infrastructure spending has not yet delivered comparable productivity gains.

Ed's Base Case for the Anthropic IPO

Zitron’s base case is that Anthropic may reach an IPO despite uncertain 2026 numbers, potentially at a lofty valuation, while warning that its stock and the offering could prove volatile.

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