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NFA Live! What is Bitcoin Doing?

The discussion focuses on supply-driven inflation, the possibility of two additional Federal Reserve rate hikes, and the recession signal embedded in the 10-year/3-year Treasury spread. Speakers debate Bitcoin's response to geopolitical shocks, inflation, interest rates, ETF demand, and crypto leverage, with recent price behavior challenging some common macro narratives. They also point to tokenization and revenue-generating altcoins as potential sources of strength, while warning that leverage, token unlocks, and possible fourth-quarter weakness remain significant risks.

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Key Takeaways

The speakers argue that inflation is being driven by supply and investment-demand pressures—including Middle East oil conditions, data-center construction, and semiconductor demand—that the Federal Reserve cannot directly resolve. As a result, the market sees an almost even chance of two additional rate hikes, creating a meaningful near-term risk for risk assets, even as one speaker says 10-year yields of 5% to 7% could represent a return to more normal conditions rather than historically extreme levels.

The 10-year/3-year Treasury spread is presented as a recession warning signal, but the speaker cautions that its timing can be unreliable because a prior major inversion did not immediately precede a recession before the dot-com crash. That uncertainty is consistent with the separate view that Bitcoin could face a major fourth-quarter drawdown in a midterm year, potentially as a macro higher low rather than a new cycle low.

One speaker attributes Bitcoin's resilience to momentum, the 50-week moving average, and sustained ETF inflows that indicate spot demand rather than only short covering or leverage. However, Rob argues that Bitcoin's reaction to macro shocks has been inconsistent: after the February 2026 Iran event it moved from roughly $67,000 to $82,000 before falling to $58,000, while higher PCE later coincided with a decline rather than the expected inflation-driven strength.

ECONOMY

Supply-Driven Inflation — The speakers argue that inflation is being driven by supply-side and investment-demand pressures, including Middle East oil conditions, data-center construction, and semiconductor demand. Because the Federal Reserve cannot directly increase those supplies, its main tool is to suppress demand through tighter monetary policy, potentially including further rate hikes.

“Not only the oil situation with the Middle East, but also the data center buildout, all this demand for chips, you know, all of this stuff is feeding into inflation…”—

Hike Odds — The speaker says the market sees an almost even chance of two additional Federal Reserve rate hikes this year. The discussion presents further monetary tightening as a meaningful near-term risk for risk assets.

“As it stands right now, the market thinks there's, you know, almost a coin flip that they might actually raise two more times this year.”—

MARKETS

Bitcoin Momentum — One speaker argues that Bitcoin's momentum helped prevent a retest of prior lows, with the 50-week moving average serving as a historical signal that the bear market had ended. Sustained ETF inflows are presented as evidence of spot demand rather than a rally driven only by short covering or leverage.

“Bitcoin is a real momentum asset and I think once that momentum seemed to kick in, it's just seemed to me harder to imagine that we would that we would…”—

Geopolitical Shocks — Rob argues that Bitcoin did not respond consistently to geopolitical uncertainty. After the February 2026 Iran event, Bitcoin rose from roughly $67,000 to $82,000 before falling to $58,000, challenging the thesis that wars reliably drive Bitcoin higher.

“Bitcoin was around 67K because it was towards the end end of the end of the month and then it rallied up to 82K and then we dropped all the…”—

Inflation Disconnect — Rob argues that Bitcoin's recent performance contradicted the expectation that higher inflation supports the asset. PCE was relatively low when Bitcoin peaked in October, while subsequent increases in PCE coincided with a Bitcoin decline.

“And then we can take a look at inflation and we can take a look at you know personal consumption expenditures or PCE and we can see that in October…”—

FORECASTS

Q4 Bitcoin Risk — One speaker argues that Bitcoin's four-year cycle has historically produced major drawdowns in the fourth quarter of midterm years. The next decline could be a macro higher low rather than a new low, but Q4 weakness remains a risk even if the broader cycle stays constructive.

“And I mean, I would argue that the four-year cycle kind of shows you around the time where Bitcoin should bottom. Normally, it's in the midterm year, right?…”—

INTRO

The hosts and guests open with market banter before introducing the discussion about Bitcoin's unexpectedly strong rally and current crypto momentum.

Bitcoin rally and market momentum

Guy says Bitcoin's rally surprised him despite rising yields and other macro concerns, but momentum, the 50-week moving average, ETF inflows, and strong altcoins support the advance.

Bitcoin as inflation and uncertainty hedge

The speakers question Bitcoin's reputation as a hedge after geopolitical shocks and rising inflation failed to produce the expected price response.

Rob's DCA strategy and downside view

Rob explains his weekly DCA strategy, expecting possible Q4 weakness while increasing purchases as his risk assessment falls.

Q4 risks and Bitcoin's four-year cycle

The hosts review Bitcoin's recurring four-year cycle and consider whether Q4 could bring another drawdown without necessarily creating a new low.

Crypto-specific shocks and tariff risks

Guy warns that crypto-specific leverage, unexpected exchange problems, and tariff announcements can still trigger sudden market disruptions.

Cautiously bullish sentiment heading into Q4

Despite acknowledging unpredictable risks, Guy remains cautiously bullish because sentiment, momentum, and the quality of crypto projects have improved.

Fed rate hikes, inflation, and bond yields

The discussion turns to the Federal Reserve potentially hiking rates into supply-driven inflation caused by energy costs and geopolitical pressures.

Bitcoin's historical performance during rate hikes

Rob argues that Bitcoin has historically performed well during some rate-hiking periods, with cycle timing often explaining whether hikes coincide with rallies or declines.

Yield-curve inversion and recession concerns

The speakers examine the inverted 10-year/3-year Treasury spread and its historical association with recessions, while noting a notable false signal.

Why the Fed must prioritize inflation

Guy says the Fed must prioritize inflation because it cannot create more oil or diesel, leaving demand management through interest rates as its main tool.

Gradual hikes versus bond-vigilante pressure

The hosts debate whether bond-market pressure requires faster tightening or whether gradual 25-basis-point hikes are easier for markets to absorb.

Altcoin narratives and sustainable token value

They argue that current long-term yields may feel abnormal mainly because markets became accustomed to years of near-zero rates, not because historical rates were unusually high.

Payments, perpetuals, and real-world asset tokenization

Rob identifies payments, perpetual trading, and real-world asset tokenization as key altcoin narratives, highlighting Hyperliquid, Uniswap, and Canton.

Revenue-generating protocols over governance tokens

Guy favors revenue-generating protocols such as Hyperliquid and Uniswap over governance tokens, while noting buybacks, burns, and token unlocks affect value.

Meme coins and short-term trading culture

The speakers criticize meme-coin speculation but acknowledge its continued appeal to younger traders and its role in crypto's short-term trading culture.

OUTRO

The episode closes with cautious skepticism about Q4, appreciation for the guests, and a reminder to follow the participating channels.

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