Mortgages, diesel and the US midterms

PodcastUnhedgedKatie MartinOct 13

Rob sees U.S. growth broadening beyond technology and AI, while warning that a stalled AI boom could weaken consumer spending and that mounting headwinds may eventually slow the economy. He is cautious about predicting the midterms, given the limits of polls and political forecasts. Separately, market discussion focused on froth in chip stocks, mortgage-rate lock-in and the pressure of higher diesel costs on business operators.

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Key Takeaways

Rob says U.S. profit and employment growth are spreading beyond technology and AI, while software and electronic-equipment investment contributed about 0.5 percentage points—roughly one-quarter—of GDP growth over the last year after accounting for imports. He warns that if the AI bubble stalls and substantial wealth is lost, consumer spending could slow quickly and the economy could enter a recession or something similar.

Don Rismiller describes the economy as facing “peak headwind,” including higher oil prices, tariffs, central-bank tightening, higher long-term rates, and a negative U.S. fiscal impulse; Rob says the economy is holding up but these pressures could eventually cause a slowdown. Separately, the speaker says sharply higher diesel prices are burdening farmers, truckers, and other professional drivers who run businesses.

The Broadcom CEO warned that investors may not understand what they are buying and called expectations in the chip-investment boom extreme, comparing it to a casino. Rob agreed there was froth and frenzy in the trade as chip stocks fell globally and Korea’s stock market took a significant hit.

GEO-POLITICS

Turnout Risk — Rob argues that most U.S. voters have already decided whom to support, making turnout in either camp a potential election hinge. Past difficulties with polls and political predictions have made him cautious about forecasting the outcome.

“America, everybody had already decided who they're gonna vote for years ago. Yeah…”—

ECONOMY

Broader Growth — Rob says U.S. growth is spreading across more sectors, with profit and employment gains broadening beyond technology and AI.

“The simple fact is that the American economy is in expansion mode, and the number of parts of the American economy that are in expansion mode is growing…”—

AI GDP Contribution — Rob says a Fed paper estimates that software and electronic-equipment investment added about 0.5 percentage points to U.S. GDP growth over the last year, after accounting for imports—roughly one-quarter of total growth. Chips for data centers come from Taiwan, he notes, so their imported value is not a net addition to U.S. GDP.

“Because remember, you build the data center. The main thing you're spending money on is all the chips that go in the data center, and those come from Taiwan…”—

MARKETS

Broadcom Warning — Broadcom’s CEO said many investors do not understand what they are investing in and called expectations in the chip-investment boom extreme, likening the experience to being in a casino. Rob presents the remarks as a warning about froth in the trade.

“He said at a conference, a lot of investors have no clue what they're investing in…”—

Chip Selloff — Chip stocks fell sharply around the world, and Korea’s stock market took a significant hit. Rob agreed that froth and frenzy had built up around the trade.

“So yeah, a lot of chip stocks had a bad day globally today…”—

Mortgage Lock-In — The speaker says the average U.S. 30-year fixed mortgage rate is about 7.4%, while some existing borrowers pay around 2.5% and have little incentive to move. That leaves fewer homes available and weakens housing-market inventory and liquidity.

“But whoever wants to buy a house now is doubly out of luck…”—

Unhedged Economy Outlook

Katie Martin and Rob Armstrong introduce the episode by asking whether the resilient U.S. economy and markets are nearing a crunch point.

AI Stocks And Consumer Wealth

The hosts discuss how a sharp drop in AI-related stocks could erode Americans’ wealth and spending, while noting the froth in chip stocks and investor expectations.

Mortgage Rates And Diesel Costs

They explain how high mortgage rates and mortgage lock-in constrain homebuyers, while rising diesel prices squeeze truckers, farmers, and other business operators.

Midterm Voter Uncertainty

Armstrong says economic pressures may eventually slow growth or affect turnout, but warns that polling and political forecasts make midterm predictions unreliable.

Finance Vests And AI Smoking

In Long Short, the hosts mock finance-bro vests and criticize researchers who reportedly smoke to signal confidence that AI will eventually cure cancer.