PodcastThe Wolf Of All StreetsGrant Cardone

"I'm Buying Bitcoin Like Crazy" - Grant Cardone

The discussion frames Bitcoin as a practical liquidity tool for real‑estate owners, arguing that the 1965 REIT law (roughly 90% distribution requirement) leaves REITs cash‑starved for capex and vulnerable to liquidity stress. A sponsor has been embedding Bitcoin into deals for about 1.5 years—six transactions totaling just over $1 billion with roughly $200 million of Bitcoin, including a 366‑unit deal with three BTC per unit and $54 million of depreciation benefits. The guest contrasts the ~$2 trillion Bitcoin market with a ~$300 trillion treasuries/debt market, says he is actively buying Bitcoin (was willing at about $81,000), and assigns a long‑term value of $150,000–$190,000.

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Key Takeaways

The 1965 REIT law requires REITs to distribute roughly 90% of cash and prevents retaining cash on the balance sheet, which the speaker says makes holding Bitcoin on a REIT effectively impossible and contributes to REIT underperformance versus the S&P 500 by leaving no retained cash for capex and forcing redistributions amid liquidity stress.

Recent Starwood gating headlines illustrate the liquidity and capex pressures facing large property owners, and the speaker argues that if REITs had been able to hold Bitcoin on balance sheets over the past decade they would have had ongoing liquidity to reduce redemption and capex problems.

The sponsor began adding Bitcoin to its real‑estate model ~1.5 years ago and has completed six deals totaling just over $1 billion that include about $200 million of Bitcoin bought in cash (no leverage), while the underlying real estate is financed with long‑term leverage and is cash‑flow positive.

One concrete deal embedded three Bitcoin per apartment across a 366‑unit purchase, delivering investors $54 million of depreciation benefits in addition to ongoing cash flow, potential rent upside, and Bitcoin exposure—an example of structuring crypto exposure within real‑estate transactions.

ECONOMY

REIT Law — The 1965 REIT law requires REITs to distribute roughly 90% of cash and prevents keeping cash on the balance sheet. That rule makes holding Bitcoin on a REIT balance sheet effectively impossible and forces distributions that leave REITs with little retained cash for capex, contributing to underperformance versus the S&P 500.

“so the part of that law when when they built that structure was the investors would come into the REIT but they had to distribute 90% of their currency again…”—

MARKETS

Starwood Liquidity — Recent headlines—Starwood gating redemptions—exemplify liquidity and capex stress at large property owners. The speaker argues that if REITs had held Bitcoin on balance sheets over the past decade they would have had ongoing liquidity and fewer redemption and capex problems.

“So like this, it's a broken model. It's a broken model. Starwood this week came out, they're 140 billion. They're one of the largest…”—

Sponsor Adoption — The sponsor began adding Bitcoin to its real‑estate model about 1.5 years ago and has completed six deals totaling a little over $1 billion that include about $200 million of Bitcoin. The Bitcoin was bought in cash with no leverage, while the real estate uses long‑term leverage and is cash‑flow positive.

“So we started adding Bitcoin to our to our model a year and a half ago…”—

Per‑Unit Bitcoin — One example embedded three Bitcoin per apartment across a 366‑unit purchase. The transaction provided investors with $54 million of depreciation benefits, plus cash flow, potential rent upside, and Bitcoin exposure.

“And so like the deal we did last July, you I you and I talked about that deal…”—

FORECASTS

Bitcoin Targets — The speaker says he is actively buying Bitcoin and was willing to buy it at about $81,000. He considers it underpriced today and gives a long‑term valuation range of $150,000–$190,000, suggesting some investors may prefer Bitcoin to real estate for similar exposure.

“Yeah, I think it's worth, you know, I'd buy it at 81,000 this morning, right now because because I do believe it's a two I believe it's underpriced right now.”—

Coming Up

Preview of the episode: institutions are noticing Grant’s hybrid Bitcoin–real estate model because it addresses liquidity and capex problems for large property owners.

"If You Pull This Off You're Going To Disrupt The Industry" — Big Bank Reaction

Grant recounts a major bank’s reaction, which framed the hybrid as a potential industry disrupter with multi‑hundred‑billion dollar upside if widely adopted.

Why The 1965 REIT Model Is Completely Broken In 2026

Explains how the 1965 REIT law forces high distributions and leaves REITs cash‑starved for capex, making the model dysfunctional in 2026.

"If Starwood Had Bitcoin On Their Balance Sheet They Wouldn't Be Gating Redemptions"

Argues Starwood’s recent redemption gating illustrates the liquidity shortfall and claims Bitcoin on the balance sheet could have prevented that outcome.

Three Bitcoin Per Apartment — How The Hybrid Deal Actually Works

Details the hybrid structure through a 366‑unit deal that embedded three BTC per unit, yielding cash flow, upside and accelerated depreciation benefits.

"Bitcoin Tanked And Every Competitor Fled — Good"

Describes the run‑on‑the‑market dynamic: competitors chased the idea when BTC ran up to 126k then fled after the crash, validating Grant’s conviction.

"Bitcoin's Biggest Problem Is How We Explain It To People"

Contends Bitcoin’s adoption bottleneck is explanation and UX — people overcomplicate it instead of simply buying and holding a small amount.

"I Wouldn't Be In Bitcoin If Someone Hadn't Given Me 115 For A Speaking Gig"

Shares his personal entry story: he accepted 115 BTC for a speaking gig, learned storage the hard way, and nearly lost pieces tied to a sold plane.

"I Think Bitcoin Should Be $150K Today — Maybe $180K"

States his price view and behavior: actively buying Bitcoin, willing at ~81k, and assigning a long‑term fair value in the $150k–$190k range.

"If You Can't Raise Rents But Every Expense Goes Up — What Do You Think?"

Surveys real estate fundamentals: rising expenses, rent controls and loan maturities create opportunities for buyers and stress for owners who lack liquidity.

Why Every Institution Will Eventually Adopt The Bitcoin Real Estate Hybrid

Argues institutions will adopt the Bitcoin‑real estate hybrid because BTC provides 24/7 liquidity to fund capex and cover cash needs in downturns.

"Saylor Called My First Deal A P*ssy" — The $72M Melbourne Hybrid Story

Tells the origin story of the first hybrid — a $72M Melbourne cash‑paid asset paired with $15M in Bitcoin — including Michael Saylor’s dismissive reaction.

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