PodcastThe Wolf Of All StreetsFaryar Shirzad

How Crypto Became Too Powerful for Washington to Ignore | Coinbase’s Faryar Shirzad

Crypto has developed a substantial political base, but its legislative path remains constrained by Senate vote requirements, traditional finance’s lobbying advantage, and disagreements over federal authority. Shirzad argues that bipartisan rules could reduce uncertainty, while warning that agencies may pursue more than 100 rulemakings at double or triple speed if the Clarity Act fails. The discussion also highlights blockchain settlement, expanding crypto and tokenized-stock products, and growing demand for perpetual swaps and other markets.

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Shirzad says crypto’s political influence now extends beyond industry lobbying: its large user base helped politicize the sector, and crypto-focused low-propensity voters could affect margins in closely contested presidential and congressional races. Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign used crypto alongside tax exemptions for tipped and overtime wages to reach voters Republicans were not expected to attract.

The Clarity Act faces a clear Senate math problem: advancing it requires 60 votes, while Republicans hold 53 seats and Democrats hold 47. Shirzad says seven to nine initially supportive Democratic senators could create a “jailbreak” that brings additional Democrats aboard, but he cautions that the final tally remains uncertain despite the House bill’s passage with every Republican and 80 Democrats.

Crypto advocates are trying to overcome traditional finance’s entrenched relationships with politicians and regulators by linking digital assets to existing priorities such as dollar strength, national security, consumer protection, and U.S. software development. Shirzad says political mobilization and spending are necessary to create space for consumer choice.

A generational and knowledge gap complicates crypto policymaking: the 119th Congress has a median age of 66, and more than half of U.S. senators are 65 or older, while staff members and younger relatives may understand crypto better. Shirzad argues that bipartisan legislation could narrow the resulting uncertainty by forcing both parties to state their positions and establish less-politicized rules.

Shirzad describes the Clarity Act as an effort to establish durable bipartisan crypto rules and clearly preempt state regulators where federal authority applies, particularly in crypto commodity spot markets. He expects DeFi and exchange issues to be addressed before the vote, while banking questions and proposed ethics restrictions could remain part of the political negotiation.

GEO-POLITICS

Political Base — Crypto’s large user community has become a lobbying and advocacy force. Shirzad says the Biden administration initially appeared neutral before Gary Gensler shifted toward enforcement, helping politicize the sector.

“but he was very right in the sense that the power of crypto is in the community…”—

Senate Math — Advancing the Clarity Act requires 60 votes to overcome Senate procedural hurdles, while Republicans hold 53 seats and Democrats hold 47. Democratic support is therefore essential, and Shirzad says Republicans cannot be taken for granted.

“As you know, the Senate is super complicated…”—

Democratic Breakthrough — Shirzad says seven to nine Democratic senators initially supporting the Clarity Act could create a “jailbreak,” with additional Democrats joining once the political risk declines.

“And if you produce seven, eight, nine Democrats, you have in what's called a jailbreak situation, which is a funny term, but the idea is, if you have an issue…”—

TECHNOLOGY

U.S. Innovation — Coinbase’s policy goal includes integrating blockchain and digital assets into traditional finance and making the United States the market of choice for a broader range of products. Hyperliquid is cited as an innovation whose developers are working toward U.S. regulatory compliance.

“Atkins and Seleague have both been pretty clear that they want to bring kind of a broader diversity of products on shore into the US market so that the US…”—

Blockchain Settlement — Tokenized deposits and blockchain infrastructure could enable round-the-clock money movement and faster settlement. The discussion includes 24-hour markets, blockchain-based DTCC settlement, and a possible move from T+2 toward near-instant settlement.

“24/7 365 markets. The SEC is meeting about, you know, going to 24 hours. My friends at hedge funds are catalytic like beyond themselves over the idea of 24-hour markets…”—

ECONOMY

SEC Authority Shift — Gary Gensler initially testified that the SEC lacked authority to regulate crypto under existing law, then later argued that nearly every crypto asset was a security subject to SEC oversight.

“Plus, Gensler for the first year, at least twice on on Capitol Hill in testimony said, "Hey, I at the SEC have no authority to regulate this sector.”—

Administrative Rulemaking — Shirzad expects more than 100 crypto rulemakings whether or not the Clarity Act passes. If legislation fails, he expects agencies to proceed administratively, potentially at double or triple speed, while notice-and-comment requirements and other legal defenses could make later reversal more difficult.

“I think regardless of what happens on the bill, if clarity passes, there's going to be a massive wave of rule making driven by the bill itself…”—

Preemption Without Legislation — Even without legislation, existing Commodity Exchange Act authority could produce clearer crypto rules and possibly federal preemption. Shirzad says that outcome is uncertain and less permanent than legislation.

“So, if we get legislation, we get certainty and we get preeemption. If we don't get legislation, we'll get clear rules that will be hard to unwind, although not impossible…”—

MARKETS

Perpetual Swaps — Perpetual swaps, pioneered by BitMEX and Arthur Hayes, are being offered by multiple platforms in the United States at different leverage levels and under different rules. Shirzad says their adoption makes them difficult to remove from the market.

“It's so it's funny that's one of the biggest innovations of crypto that's quietly going to invade everywhere was that perpetual swap from BitMEX and Arthur Hayes I didn't once…”—

Finance Convergence — Crypto firms are adding tokenized stocks, while traditional institutions including Morgan Stanley, Schwab, custodians, and BNY Mellon are moving toward Bitcoin trading, custody, and related services.

“The crypto incumbents are adding tokenized stocks and we're eventually going to get all the yield and advantages that you have in your securities portfolio…”—

Crypto’s Biggest Political Battle Yet

Scott and Faryar Shirzad frame the Clarity Act as crypto’s defining political test, with Senate procedure and bipartisan support determining whether the industry gets durable rules.

Why Faryar Shirzad Left Goldman for Crypto

Shirzad explains that he left Goldman Sachs for Coinbase to help integrate digital assets into traditional finance and educate policymakers about blockchain’s broader potential.

How Crypto Became So Politicized

The discussion traces crypto’s shift from an initially neutral Biden-era policy environment to intense partisan conflict under SEC Chair Gary Gensler and the broader regulatory crackdown.

How the Clarity Act Senate Vote Actually Works

Shirzad explains that the Senate must first clear procedural hurdles before debating Clarity, unlike the House, making the September vote fundamentally a test of bipartisan cooperation.

The Math Behind Getting to 60 Votes

The vote math requires Republicans to maximize their caucus support while persuading roughly seven to nine Democrats, potentially creating a “jailbreak” where additional Democrats feel safe joining.

Inside the Crypto Lobbying Battle

Crypto lobbyists tailor Clarity’s message to national-security, consumer-protection, innovation, and dollar-strength concerns while educating lawmakers and staff who remain unfamiliar with the technology.

Is Crypto’s Political Power Really About Money?

Shirzad argues crypto’s political influence reflects both substantial spending and a genuine grassroots movement, rather than simply checks from a newly formed lobbying industry.

Why Crypto Became a Powerful Voting Issue

The industry’s political power comes from millions of advocates and crypto’s ability to mobilize voters who might otherwise have low turnout in elections.

What Are the Odds the Clarity Act Passes?

Shirzad says Clarity has strong odds because it combines broad House support, Democratic policy concessions, agency nominations, and ethics commitments from the White House.

The Biggest Issues Still Threatening Clarity

The remaining threats are concentrated around DeFi, exchange rules, banking concerns, and especially whether Democrats believe the administration has conceded enough on ethics.

What Regulation Alone Can’t Fix

If Clarity fails, agencies could pursue more than 100 rulemakings at double or triple speed, creating meaningful but less permanent regulatory clarity before a future administration could attempt reversals.

Prediction Markets, the CFTC and State Regulators

Legislation’s unique value is certainty and federal preemption of state regulators, while agency rules may provide clarity but could be changed and may not fully resolve jurisdictional disputes.

The SEC’s New Crypto Capital Formation Rules

Prediction markets illustrate the emerging conflict between federal CFTC authority, state regulators, incumbent institutions, and competing interpretations of statutory language.

Bringing Perpetual Markets Onshore

Shirzad praises the SEC’s proposed crypto capital-formation framework for recognizing token offerings as a more democratized way to raise capital.

Crypto and TradFi Are Finally Converging

The administration and regulators are exploring how to bring perpetual swaps and Hyperliquid’s technology onshore while preserving innovation within a compliant US framework.

24/7 Markets and Blockchain Settlement

Coinbase expects crypto and traditional finance to converge through tokenized stocks, broader product access, and infrastructure spanning exchanges, wallets, stablecoins, and payments.

What the Future Financial Platform Looks Like

Twenty-four-hour markets and blockchain settlement could eliminate major operational costs and delays, allowing financial systems to price assets around productive activity rather than settlement friction.

Final Thoughts

Shirzad envisions Coinbase becoming a comprehensive financial platform for investing, borrowing, lending, portfolio management, and other financial needs, with legislation accelerating certainty and political acceptance.

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