PodcastThe Wolf Of All StreetsSaifedean Ammous

Bitcoin's Inflation Test Just Came In Hot - What's Next?

The discussion challenges conventional measures of inflation and fiscal health, including the 2% target, CPI substitution, and the implications of rising 10-year Treasury yields. The guest also questions whether quantum computing is a near-term threat to Bitcoin and outlines practical approaches to wallet security. On markets, he views Bitcoin as a potential hedge against monetary and fiscal instability, while arguing that lower volatility could broaden demand; his bullish outlook remains conditional on the market avoiding further large drops.

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The guest is not convinced quantum computing is a current threat to Bitcoin, arguing that today’s computers cannot solve basic math problems and that quantum encryption could match quantum decryption. If Bitcoin’s existing cryptography were broken, he says the network could potentially recover by returning to a point before the break and adopting a quantum-resistant algorithm.

The guest favors generic, offline laptops over Bitcoin-specific hardware for cold storage, arguing that wallet management needs little computing power and that dedicated devices can create concentrated targets for malware or supply-chain attacks. He also describes multisig across different providers as a way to limit the damage from a compromised device or provider.

The guest argues that CPI can understate price increases because consumers’ substitution toward cheaper goods changes the basket, citing beef prices rising faster than CPI over periods from one to 50 years. He also says governments have an incentive to understate CPI because benefits such as Social Security are inflation-indexed, while inflation can reduce the real value of government liabilities.

The guest views rising 10-year Treasury yields as a dangerous signal of worsening fiscal risk and says further conflict could add to spending pressure, citing an approximately 50% increase in the Department of Defense budget. He says the government may manage debt through money-supply growth and dollar devaluation rather than outright default, while acknowledging uncertainty.

The guest argues that fiat money’s loss of value pressures people to keep investing and borrowing, potentially distracting them from their primary work. This concern fits his broader argument that inflation can erode the real value of government liabilities.

GEO-POLITICS

Bank Fine — The host cites a $1.2 billion U.S. government fine against Bank of America for money-laundering and sanctions violations. He contrasts it with claims that cryptocurrency is uniquely associated with financial crime.

“Today, the US government fined Bank of America 1.2 billion for violating money laundering regulations and sanctions laws…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Quantum Threat — The guest is not convinced quantum computing poses a current threat to Bitcoin: today's quantum computers cannot solve basic math problems. He argues cryptographic asymmetry is likely to survive because quantum decryption could be matched by quantum encryption.

“So, as it currently stands, quantum computers can't solve math problems that my 5-year-old son can solve. And so, I'm not entirely worried…”—

Quantum Recovery — The guest says that if quantum computing breaks Bitcoin's existing cryptography, the network could return to a point before the break and move to a quantum-resistant algorithm. He presents this as a possible recovery scenario, not a certainty.

“So essentially, Bitcoin is the UTXO set. It's the set of balances. We've got this address, it has this many Satoshi's. That address has that many Satoshi's…”—

Wallet Hardware — The guest argues that managing a Bitcoin wallet requires little computing power and can be done on a general-purpose laptop, even an older one. He says Bitcoin-specific hardware is not technically necessary.

“Bitcoin doesn't need any kind of magic machine. You can do it with your laptop. You can do it with your old laptop that you had back in high school…”—

ECONOMY

Inflation Target Origins — The guest argues that the 2% inflation target is an inherited convention without a clear explanation. He identifies New Zealand's effort to bring inflation to 2% while maintaining growth as the closest explanation for its adoption.

“So somehow in the 1980s economists decided that 2% inflation is ideal. And there's never really been any kind of explanation for why 2%. Why not one? Why not three?…”—

CPI Substitution — The guest argues that CPI can understate price increases because its basket changes as consumers switch to cheaper goods, such as moving from beef to soy. He also says beef prices rose faster than CPI over periods ranging from one year to 50 years.

“So if you look at the rise in the price of beef over the last year, 5 years, 20 years, 50 years, it exceeds the rises in the CPI.”—

Inflation Incentives — The guest argues that governments have a fiscal incentive to understate CPI because veterans' payments and Social Security are indexed to inflation. He also says inflation reduces the value of government liabilities and improves the government's fiscal position.

“Money printing is out of control the government spending is out of control and it's u it's getting worse and worse and worse…”—

MARKETS

Inflation Expectations — The host argues that markets react to CPI, PCE, and PPI relative to expectations, not to inflation in isolation. He characterizes both the reported number and the expectation as arbitrary.

“The other is not only is everything you described accurate about inflation, but markets also react in real time to a number that's effectively arbitrary and being compared to an…”—

Bitcoin Monetary Hedge — The guest argues that Bitcoin has protected holders from monetary and fiscal instability in recent years, and says conditions are likely to remain similar over the next few years. He leaves open whether that would bring faster devaluation, a formal default, or an official devaluation.

“You know if you've held Bitcoin over the last few years you have been protected from all of this insanity…”—

Bitcoin Financial Products — The guest says Bitcoin itself is simpler for him to recommend than Bitcoin-related financial services, which require scrutiny of balance sheets, terms, and risks.

“Bitcoin is just a commodity. It's like telling people to eat meat or use the internet. It's something that I can tell and re tell people about…”—

FORECASTS

Bitcoin Bull Market — The guest expects a Bitcoin bull market over the next couple of years and says that, if it occurs, MicroStrategy could rise and its services could be a major winner in capital markets. He explicitly says he is not recommending the company and prefers Bitcoin.

“And so, you know, if I, as I expect, I think we're going to be getting into a Bitcoin bull market over the next couple of years…”—

CPI Surprise

Scott opens with the hotter-than-expected CPI report and questions whether inflation readings and market expectations accurately reflect economic reality.

The 2% Inflation Target

The guest argues the 2% target lacks a convincing basis and says CPI methods, including changing consumer baskets, systematically understate price increases.

CPI Substitution Effects

Using beef as an example, the guest says consumers substitute lower-quality goods as prices rise, making measured inflation look milder than their lived experience.

Inflation Expectations

Scott notes that markets react to arbitrary forecasts rather than inflation in isolation, and both speakers criticize the resulting dependence on central-bank signals.

Quantum Risk to Bitcoin

The guest sees quantum computing as an uncertain, non-imminent threat and argues Bitcoin could adapt its cryptography if a genuine vulnerability emerged.

Bitcoin Wallet Security

After discussing hardware-wallet vulnerabilities, the guest favors offline generic computers for key generation and explains why dedicated Bitcoin devices can create attack risks.

Multisig and Bank Crime

The speakers discuss multisig as a way to distribute custody risk, then contrast Bitcoin's traceable ledger with large banks' repeated money-laundering violations.

Treasury Yields and Fiscal Risk

The guest calls rising 10-year yields a dangerous signal, sees little political will for fiscal restraint, and says continued dollar devaluation is more likely than an immediate collapse.

Bitcoin and Financial Freedom

The speakers argue that fiat debasement forces people to manage investments constantly, while Bitcoin could give holders more time and attention for work and family.

Bitcoin Financial Products

The guest recommends holding Bitcoin over complex products, while describing Strategy's financing approach and the appeal of Bitcoin-linked offerings to investors seeking yield.

Bitcoin Volatility and Demand

The guest argues that declining volatility could attract institutional capital, but makes the bullish outlook conditional on Bitcoin avoiding another major decline.

Bitcoin Standard Course

The guest announces a free Bitcoin Standard course and weekly discussion sessions, then Scott thanks him and closes the interview.

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