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ALERT: 2027 Will Be A "Disaster" For Both Stocks & Bonds | Michael Pento

Pento argues that debt-funded AI investment is supporting a large share of growth while adding to money-supply growth and pressure on borrowing costs. He sees rising yields, widening credit spreads, and stretched equity and housing valuations as signs of financial vulnerability, and warns that a recession could deepen deficits and weaken demand for long-term Treasuries. He predicts a difficult 2027 for stocks and bonds, while describing a rapid end to the Iran war and a major AI-driven productivity boom as possible, but unlikely, sources of relief.

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Pento says AI investment accounts for 50% of GDP growth and 80% of earnings growth, while debt-funded AI spending has contributed to 6% M2 growth. He argues that this concentration makes growth vulnerable to an AI spending slowdown, even as AI firms’ competition for limited fixed-income capital pressures borrowing costs.

Pento describes several pressures on bonds: inflation above the Fed’s target for six years and a 720% debt-to-revenue ratio weigh on the long end, while the Bank of Japan’s Treasury sales and higher Japanese and German yields reduce demand for Treasuries. He also says widening high-yield spreads alongside rising Treasury yields signals a bond-market fracture, and that trillions in AI spending add pressure to borrowing costs.

Pento predicts a difficult 2027 for stocks and bonds and expects any recession-driven move into long-term Treasuries to be short-lived. He argues that a recession could push the deficit to $6 trillion and national debt to $40 trillion, or 123% of GDP, potentially muting the usual flight to long-term bonds; he also cites the 2007–09 downturn as evidence that early Fed easing may not prevent a recession.

Pento points to weak equity-market breadth—over 70% of S&P 500 stocks at least 10% below their 52-week highs, 60% down 20%, and 40% down 30%—alongside market capitalization at 235% of GDP, compared with his cited 90%–100% norm. He argues that an equity crash could threaten the broader economy and that a 30% home-price decline would add to financial-system stress.

ECONOMY

Rate Hike Limits — Pento argues that rate hikes cannot increase oil supply, resolve the Iran war, or reverse tariffs. He sees higher rates as one possible way to curb the debt-funded AI investment bubble, but warns they would raise credit card, mortgage, and auto payments. Multiple hikes would be needed to start affecting AI spending.

“It does not increase the supply of oil. It does not solve the war with Iran and it doesn't resend tariffs…”—

AI And M2 — Pento links the debt-funded AI spending spree to 6% growth in M2, describing that growth as a consequence of spending in a debt-based monetary system.

“And let's not forget, let's understand that the AI spending spree, this debtfueled spending spree, which is responsible for, you know, 6% growth in M2 money supply because it's a…”—

AI-Driven Growth — Pento says AI investment has accounted for 50% of GDP growth and 80% of earnings growth. He argues that this concentration leaves the growth picture vulnerable to a slowdown in AI spending.

“50% of all GDP growth and 80% of all earnings growth has been based on this AI investment.”—

MARKETS

Yen Carry Trade — Pento says the Bank of Japan is selling Treasuries to support the yen, while higher Japanese and German yields make the yen-funded Treasury carry trade less attractive. He argues this removes a source of Treasury demand.

“Then you have the Bank of Japan selling they are selling treasuries to support their belleaguered and battered yen…”—

Bond Market Strain — Pento says high-yield credit spreads are widening as Treasury yields rise, an unusual combination he describes as evidence of a bond-market fracture. With the Fed playing a smaller role in absorbing Treasury issuance, buyers and sellers must assess the nation's solvency and future inflation, adding upward pressure to yields. He says the deterioration favors a neutral rather than net-long stance on risk-reward grounds.

“which I find which I find interesting and most disturbing this time Adam is that bond the credit spreads are widening and they're widening very quickly and sharply a as…”—

Weak Market Breadth — Pento estimates that a little over 70% of S&P 500 stocks are at least 10% below their 52-week highs, 60% are down 20%, and 40% are down 30%. He defines those declines as a correction, a bear market, and a crash, respectively.

“to put a number on that, 70, a little bit above 70% of the S&P 500 is in a correction…”—

FORECASTS

AI Borrowing Costs — Pento argues that trillions of dollars in AI spending are competing for the limited capital available for fixed-income investment. He presents this competition as a source of pressure on borrowing costs.

“the trillions of dollars in AI spending is competing with the limited amount of capital that we have available to invest in fixed income.”—

Difficult 2027 — Pento predicts that 2027 will be difficult for stocks and bonds across all durations. He expects any recession-driven move into long-term Treasuries to be short-lived.

“2027 is going to be a very should be a very difficult year for the stock market and the bond market included and that that includes all durations…”—

Delayed Fed Action — Pento expects the Fed may eventually intervene if banks begin closing, money markets freeze, and repo rates reach double digits. He agrees that intervention would come later than some investors expect.

“I think they we think when banks start closing down and the money markets freeze and the repo mark you know repo rates go to you know double digits even…”—

Pento Model Turns Neutral

Pento explains his investing history and says his model has shifted from net long to neutral as risks to stocks and bonds have increased.

Fed, Inflation, And AI Debt

Pento argues that inflationary pressures and debt-funded AI spending are pushing the Fed toward rate hikes that could prick the investment boom and weaken growth.

Treasury Market Fractures

He cites persistent inflation, federal insolvency, reduced foreign Treasury demand, Japanese selling, and competition from AI borrowing as forces lifting long-term yields.

Credit Spreads And Market Breadth

Pento warns that high-yield spreads are widening even as Treasury yields rise, while weak market breadth has led him to neutralize his portfolio.

2027 Stocks And Bonds Outlook

Pento expects 2027 to be difficult for stocks and bonds, with a limited Treasury rally in recession as larger deficits and restrained Fed support weigh on long maturities.

Valuations And Recession Risk

He sees elevated home prices and equity valuations as vulnerable, while a rapid end to the Iran war and lower energy costs could delay the downturn.

Short-Term Versus Long Bonds

Pento favors one- to three-year Treasuries over long bonds, arguing that recession-driven deficits could limit long-bond gains and eventually push yields higher.

Pento’s Market Cycle Model

Although his model remains in an inflation-and-growth phase, Pento expects bond stress to move conditions toward disinflation and deflation, favoring cash, short positions, and caution.

Gold And Liquidity Crisis

Pento says liquidity stress can pressure gold and miners, but he suspects gold may anticipate eventual government intervention and monetary expansion.

Hyper-Stagflation And Relief

He warns that crisis-era money creation could produce hyper-stagflation, with a quick Iran-war resolution and an AI productivity boom representing unlikely escape routes.

Signals For Turning Bullish

Pento says he will follow his model, especially financial conditions and credit spreads, for evidence that risks have eased enough to rebuild long exposure.

Closing And Listener Resources

Pento identifies market and inflation indicators he will monitor, shares where to follow his work, and the host closes with adviser and conference information.

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