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6% Yields By Year-End, 9% Mortgages—Stocks Get ‘Rug Pulled’ | Todd Horowitz

Horowitz argues that rates should rise to cool inflation, which he estimates is closer to 10% than reported CPI, and warns that consumer credit stress could worsen as borrowing costs climb. He sees the stock rally as thinly participated and believes markets can adjust to higher yields, while pointing to refining capacity—not crude supply—as the oil constraint. His outlook includes lower oil before year-end absent renewed Iran-related conflict, a stronger dollar, and conditional upside for Bitcoin, alongside warnings about an eventual AI bubble collapse and a possible sharp market reversal.

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Horowitz argues inflation is closer to 10% than reported CPI of 3.4% or 3.7% and that rates need to rise, but he also cites consumer credit stress—19% of credit-card borrowers 90 days past due, with 9% of auto loans and 8% of mortgages in default—and warns higher rates could slow sales and housing. He says mortgage rates could reach 9%.

Horowitz blames Fed rate manipulation for helping build bubbles and favors having the free market set rates; he contrasts the 10-year yield’s rise from near zero to 4.5% in 2020–2023, which he says hurt stocks, bonds, and real estate, with a roughly 50-basis-point move from 4.5% that he considers less concerning. He argues that markets adjust under capitalism.

On oil, Horowitz rejects an overall shortage, citing more than a 300-year U.S. supply at current usage and arguing that refining capacity is the constraint. His outlook is for oil to fall below $70 before year-end, although he says renewed fighting in Iran could push it into the $90s in the next couple of weeks.

Horowitz describes the stock rally as retail-driven and low-participation, with volume around 50% of normal and commercial traders absent, while the Nasdaq and S&P break out and the Dow and Russell sit near support. He is bearish as a trader and is waiting for bearish top-end action before taking a longer-term short, but says nontraders are generally better off holding equities than trying to time the market.

TECHNOLOGY

AI Memory Demand — The host says SanDisk is up more than 100% this year and the price of a 1 TB SSD has nearly doubled in a year. He attributes the squeeze on regular creators to AI data centers’ demand for memory products.

“So SanDisk going to the tech sector now. SanDisk is up more than 100% this year.”—

ECONOMY

Inflation And Rates — Horowitz argues that interest rates need to rise to cool the economy and prices. He estimates inflation is closer to 10% than the reported CPI figures of 3.4% or 3.7%, explicitly presenting that figure as his own assessment.

“So interest rates the Fed as unfortunately you know I don't like the inflation that we have because it's Fed driven not supply demand driven but when you look at…”—

Fed Rate Policy — Horowitz argues that Fed rate manipulation helped build bubbles, including in AI and other areas. He calls himself an anti-Fed critic and believes the free market should set rates.

“So, we've had this Fed manipulating rates. Even though the free market said that rates should be higher, you had the Fed build these bubbles…”—

MARKETS

Oil Supply And Refining — Horowitz rejects claims of an overall oil shortage, arguing that the United States has more than a 300-year supply at current usage. He says the issue is refining capacity, not a lack of crude, since raw oil must be refined before it can be used.

“Well, I think that that I don't agree with that and I and I can tell you that in the United States of America, we have over a 300year supply…”—

Thin Stock Rally — Horowitz describes the rally as retail-driven and low-participation, with volume at about 50% of normal and commercial traders sitting it out. The Nasdaq and S&P are breaking out, while the Dow and Russell are near support, leaving a mixed picture.

“I look we're right now in a process of a stock market that is in a dull market, right?…”—

Gold Holds Firm — Horowitz argues that gold has already been repriced for higher interest rates and has held relatively stable above $4,000 despite higher rates and a stronger dollar. He believes inflation could support gold and push it higher.

“The markets already know that interest rates are going up. That is part of the reason that I think gold took the big sell off…”—

FORECASTS

Oil Price Outlook — Horowitz expects oil to fall below $70 before year-end but warns it could rise into the $90s in the next couple of weeks if fighting in Iran flares up. He says he has orders to sell more at $95 if oil tops again and thinks it could reach $85 that week.

“So, I'm looking for oil to be below 70 before the year is out. Now, in the next couple of weeks, we could go anywhere…”—

Mortgage Rate Risk — Horowitz says he could see mortgage rates reaching 9% as rates rise. He notes that some peer-to-peer lenders were charging 14% to 18% for regular borrowing; those rates are not mortgage-rate quotes.

“I think the rates are going higher. Yes, I do think I could see a 9% mortgage. Now again, remember I'm old so my first mortgage was 14%…”—

Dollar Strength — Horowitz is bullish on the U.S. dollar and says the euro could fall below parity amid trouble in Europe. He says the dollar could reach 104–105 or higher.

“I'm bullish on the dollar because I mean, because I think that the Europe's a lot of trouble…”—

Oil, Yields & Markets

Horowitz remains short oil, arguing that abundant crude is constrained by refining capacity and that political pressure to ease fuel costs could push prices below $70 by year-end, barring renewed Iran-related conflict.

Oil Below $70?

Horowitz disputes forecasts of a global oil shortage, saying crude is plentiful but insufficiently refined; he views inventories and bullish industry commentary with skepticism and expects oil to remain vulnerable.

6% Treasury Yields

Horowitz expects Treasury yields to have a credible path to 6%, citing heavy demand for financing and persistent inflation that he estimates is closer to 10% than reported CPI.

Stocks at 6%

He warns that a 6% yield could pressure stocks, arguing the rally has weak volume and is largely retail-driven, even as major indexes show divergent performance.

Economy & Debt

Horowitz says markets can adjust to higher rates, but highlights consumer debt, credit-card delinquencies, auto defaults, and weak job conditions as serious economic vulnerabilities.

9% Mortgages?

He sees mortgage rates reaching 9% if inflation stays high, arguing borrowing costs must rise to cool the economy despite the strain on the middle class and housing activity.

Gold, Silver & Bitcoin

Horowitz favors gold, silver, and Bitcoin as investments, citing recent purchases and potential upside after gold's sharp retreat, while also mentioning Tesla and SpaceX.

Gold vs. Yields

He argues gold has already absorbed expectations for higher rates and says persistent inflation and global demand for dollars could still support precious metals.

Dollar Outlook

Horowitz is bullish on the U.S. dollar, citing Europe's economic troubles, pressure on fiat currencies, and countries seeking dollar safety; he sees room for the dollar to strengthen further.

Real Estate Stress

They discuss how higher yields are affecting commercial real estate and housing; Horowitz says markets can adapt, but warns that weak participation and rising rates could eventually trigger selling.

AI Bubble

Horowitz calls AI and memory-related stocks overbought and says AI may be in a bubble, pointing to debt and investor exuberance while cautioning that a correction may not be immediate.

Bitcoin Outlook

He sees Bitcoin adoption broadening beyond investors and says it could approach $100,000, though he views it as range-bound unless volatility or other market moves provide a catalyst.

Market Meltdown

Horowitz says stocks can keep rallying but warns of a sharp reversal, remaining invested with hedges while waiting for technical and volume signals before taking a sustained short position.

Trading the Downturn

He explains that he hedges long-term holdings with options while trading shorter-term opportunities separately; he sells same-day options for income and describes his best and worst trades of the year.

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