10-15-26 Inflation Runs Hot: What's Next for the Fed?
Hotter-than-expected inflation lifted the odds of a Fed hike, even as Treasury yields reversed lower and market participants weighed several possible explanations. The discussion also covered uneven equity performance, strong retail demand for safer bond funds, and gradually widening credit spreads, with CCC debt a point to monitor. Speakers highlighted potential financing pressures for cloud companies and the additional bond supply that AI investment could bring, while describing mortgage-backed securities’ yield premium and duration risks.
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CPI came in 0.1 percentage point above expectations and the probability of an October 28 Fed hike rose from about 20% to over 50%, yet bond yields fell after initially rising; hotter-than-expected PPI also saw rates reverse after an initial spike. The speaker distinguishes short-term yields, which track expected Fed funds rates, from 30-year yields, which reflect broader inflation and economic trends over many years.
The speakers say higher yields can raise company borrowing costs and cause firms to delay plant investment or hiring when projects no longer meet return thresholds. They warn that excessive Fed tightening or sharply wider corporate spreads could make financing harder for CoreWeave and other less-fortified cloud companies, though they emphasize that this scenario is not currently happening.
The speakers describe a rotation away from mega-cap and semiconductor stocks, with equal-weight RSP and broader breadth recovering as health care and financials performed well and energy benefited from rising oil prices. Separately, retail investors bought nearly $3 billion in bond ETFs during October’s first seven sessions, favoring T-bills, ultrashort-duration funds, municipal bonds, and Treasuries while credit, loans, and CLOs received only 4% of their usual demand.
Credit spreads are widening gradually, with CCC-rated debt near its highest spread levels since around 2008, but the speakers characterize the increase as small relative to past surges and not evidence of acute market-wide stress. The speaker cautions that CCC spreads can move disproportionately when one troubled issuer is affected because the category contains relatively few bonds, unlike the larger BBB issuer pool.
ECONOMY
“CPI was a tenth of a percent higher than expected. generally not a good report…”—
“If we're looking at a one-month Treasury bill, the predominant factor in a one-mon Treasury bill is what are Fed funds going to be today and what are they going…”—
“So, it's entirely fed off the inflation off the Fed funds expectation. You go to the complete opposite end of the curve, the 30-year…”—
MARKETS
“Interestingly enough, yesterday interest rates opened up higher, which you would expect with a higher than expected CPI number, but then reversed and actually sold off pretty strongly yesterday.”—
“Last week we talked about rotating from growth to value. And this is what we're seeing since then…”—
“I mean it wasn't you know massively different than expectations but it was a little bit hotter than expected particularly at the core and we saw interest rates spike up…”—
FORECASTS
“We're going to break that today. futures right now are pointing down about 20 points on the S&P…”—
INTRO
Lance opens with a brief market preview, noting that hotter CPI, upcoming PPI and retail sales, and the approaching Fed meeting could shape trading and rate expectations.
CPI Comes in Hot
Lance says CPI exceeded expectations, increasing the odds of a Fed rate hike and renewing pressure on markets already stuck in a trading range.
Markets Sell Off on Inflation Print
Lance describes the market's pullback after the inflation report, with futures threatening moving-average support and a possible test of the range's lower edge.
RSP Showing Recovery in Rotations
Lance says equal-weight RSP is recovering as leadership broadens beyond mega-cap technology, supporting a measured stance rather than selling into ordinary rotation.
Barry White & Sore Throats
Lance jokes about his strained, Barry White-like voice before welcoming guest Michael Leeuw.
The Tell of the Tails - Foreign Selling & Domestic Buying
Michael reads Treasury-market price tails as signs of overnight selling followed by daytime recovery, suggesting domestic demand has countered possible foreign or hedge-fund selling.
Retail Bond Buying
The speakers cite record retail purchases of bond ETFs, concentrated in T-bills, ultrashort bonds, municipals, and Treasuries, as investors respond to attractive yields.
Two Reasons: CPI +.01%, Bond Yields Fall
Michael argues longer-term Treasury yields could fall despite hot CPI because investors may expect tighter Fed policy to weaken the economy and inflation; AI-related debt concerns may also matter.
When Bad News is Good News
The speakers say a potential Fed policy mistake could make inflation news supportive for longer bonds if rate hikes slow growth enough to suppress future inflation.
CoreWeave (neo-cloud) Factor: Is AI Overbuilding?
They discuss CoreWeave's falling stock and sharply higher borrowing costs as evidence of doubts about neo-cloud business prospects, refinancing capacity, and AI infrastructure overbuilding.
Credit Spread Widening: Is the Fed Making a Mistake?
Michael says credit spreads are widening gradually, with more pronounced stress in CCC debt, while the speakers consider how restrictive policy could create financing pressure.
How Fed Policy is Working Through the Economy
Michael explains that higher borrowing costs can cause companies to delay investment and hiring, illustrating how Fed policy transmits through credit conditions into the economy.
Credit Spreads in CCC Arena (chart)
The speakers distinguish CCC spread widening from broader credit stress, noting the category's volatility and the still-muted moves in higher-rated debt.
The Fed Wants the Cost of Money to be More Painful
Michael says the Fed wants borrowing to feel more costly, but warns that excessive tightening could trigger corporate distress and a damaging economic spiral.
Mortgage-backed Securities (MBS) as Surrogates for Bond Market (chart)
Michael introduces mortgage-backed securities as a less-understood bond-market alternative, explaining how pools of conforming home loans generate principal and interest payments.
The Problem with MBS - Becoming Specified Pools
The speakers explain how mortgage prepayments make MBS duration change with interest rates, creating extension risk when rates rise and reinvestment risk when rates fall.
Why Buy MBS vs Treasury?
Michael warns that individual MBS holdings can become aged, smaller specified pools that are difficult to trade, making managed funds or ETFs worth considering.
PPI & Retail Sales Preview
They say MBS can offer roughly two percentage points of extra yield over Treasuries, but that premium comes with changing duration, prepayment, and principal-return risks.
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