PodcastThe Real Investment ShowLance Roberts

9-10-26 What Will Inflation Data Do for the Fed?

The discussion weighs whether upcoming PPI and CPI data could alter the Fed’s rate decision, with the speakers favoring steady rates unless inflation proves persistent. They distinguish temporary oil-driven price pressure from underlying inflation, while noting weaker payroll growth, housing’s large CPI weight, and the risk that unnecessary tightening could later require cuts. Market positioning is described as oversold in technology, the yen and Treasuries, while hotter inflation data could expose equity downside and make Treasury yields near 4.7% to 4.8% more attractive.

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The speakers distinguish a potentially misleading headline-inflation surge from underlying pressure: monthly headline CPI around 0.4% would annualize to nearly 5%, but oil-driven increases could be temporary, core CPI around 0.2% would annualize to roughly 2.4%, and homeowners’ equivalent rent—about 42% to 43% of CPI—could offset some energy pressure. They argue the Fed should not respond to a temporary oil supply shock with rate hikes when underlying inflation is near its 2% target.

The case for holding rates rests on a weakening labor market and limited evidence of persistent inflation: monthly payroll gains are described at roughly 50,000 to 70,000 versus 150,000 to 250,000 previously, while downward revisions and trimmed-mean CPI near 2.3% weaken the case for tightening. The speakers say hikes would be more defensible only if inflation stayed elevated or a sustained growth surge, such as an AI-driven expansion, created persistent pressure.

The episode frames a possible policy mistake in which the Fed hikes to protect its credibility and later reverses course: Darius Dale expects two hikes this year followed by cuts throughout next year, while the speakers argue that credibility alone is not sufficient justification for tightening. Kevin Warsh’s opposition to quantitative easing and preference for a smaller Fed balance sheet could also face pressure from Scott Bessent or President Trump, potentially damaging Warsh’s credibility if he adopts QE.

Near-term equity risk is tied to the inflation data, but the market also has conditions for a relief rally. After three straight declines, the market was near its 50-day moving average and hedge-fund technology positioning was meaningfully oversold; however, materially hotter inflation reports could drive a roughly 3% to 4% decline toward the 100-day moving average near 7,550 and potentially the mid-July lows around 7,400.

GEO-POLITICS

Warsh Policy Pressure — Kevin Warsh has opposed quantitative easing and favors shrinking the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet. The speakers speculate that pressure from Scott Bessent or President Trump could challenge that stance, arguing that adopting QE could damage Warsh’s credibility.

“Warsh has been very outspoken about he does not want to do QE…”—

ECONOMY

Inflation Rate Expectations — The speakers expect monthly PPI of about 0.3% and headline CPI of about 0.4%. Hotter readings could increase rate-hike expectations, pressure markets, and lift interest rates. Annualizing the figures would produce different inflation narratives: 0.4% monthly headline CPI implies nearly 5% annualized inflation, while 0.2% core CPI implies roughly 2.4%.

“Right now I think that PPI is expected to come in at 0.3 for the month and CPI is 0.4, give or take…”—

Oil Supply Shock — Food and energy, particularly oil, could push headline inflation above underlying inflation. The speakers argue that the Fed cannot directly control an oil supply shock and should not raise rates in response to a temporary spike when underlying inflation is near the 2% target. A resolution with Iran could quickly push oil prices lower.

“Inflation is 2.4% if you strip out energy. And last I heard the Fed can't print oil…”—

Housing CPI Weight — Homeowners’ equivalent rent accounts for roughly 42% to 43% of CPI. A decline in that component could offset some inflationary pressure from higher oil prices.

“Housing remains a factor, homeowners equivalent rent remains a factor in CPI…”—

MARKETS

Market Pullback — After three days of declines, the market was near its 50-day moving average and sufficiently oversold for a possible bounce. A better-than-expected PPI report could trigger a rally, while the compressed VIX and elevated complacency could change quickly after the PPI and CPI releases.

“So, as I was saying, the markets, you know, continuing to do what markets have been doing here, 3 days down, sitting right on that 50-day moving average…”—

Oversold Tech Positioning — Hedge-fund positioning in technology stocks has become meaningfully oversold, creating a potential upside catalyst that could surprise investors despite broadly bearish market positioning.

“There's a lot of bearish bets on the markets right now. Hedge fund positioning and tech stocks has gotten decently oversold…”—

Yen Carry Risk — A large short position in the Japanese yen could force short sellers to cover if the yen appreciates. The speakers prefer a gradual yen rise that slowly unwinds the carry trade because a sharp move could affect U.S. markets.

“Bessant actually has a little bit of power on his side because there is a massive short position against the yen…”—

FORECASTS

Equity Downside Levels — If inflation reports come in materially hotter than expected, the market could test its 100-day moving average near 7,550, then the mid-July lows around 7,400 if that support breaks. The speaker estimates immediate downside risk of roughly 3% to 4%.

“Again, if these reports come in a lot hotter than expected, we could certainly see a test of the 100-day moving average, which would put us closer to about 7550…”—

Hikes Then Cuts — Darius Dale expects the Fed to hike twice this year and then cut rates throughout next year. The speakers present this as a possible policy mistake in which the Fed hikes to bolster credibility and is later forced to reverse course.

“Right. And I think that's the trap that the market's laying for him. but, he is starting to justify it…”—

INTRO

Lance previews PPI and CPI, arguing that hotter readings could lift rate-hike expectations while housing and oil create competing inflation signals.

PPI, CPI Preview

The speakers examine oil’s renewed influence on inflation and explain why an energy-driven spike may not represent persistent underlying price pressure.

Oil As Factor in Inflation

Lance describes a mild, three-day market decline as rotation and consolidation rather than a violent sell-off, with positioning potentially supporting a reflexive rally.

Markets Continue to Do What They Do

The S&P 500 is testing its 50-day average, remains modestly oversold, and could bounce on favorable PPI, though hotter data could expose deeper technical support.

Volatility Warms Up

Volatility has risen only slightly, leaving markets broadly complacent, but PPI and CPI could quickly change the risk picture.

PPI, CPI - What's Driving the Numbers

Michael compares headline and core inflation expectations, warning that energy-driven headline pressure will produce conflicting hawkish and dovish interpretations.

Inflation vs Deflation

The speakers distinguish high prices from the rate of inflation and explain why controlled inflation is preferable to deflation’s damaging economic psychology.

We Have a Relatively Weak Economy

Michael argues that weak growth and slowing payroll gains make a rate hike difficult to justify, despite pressure on Warsh to demonstrate inflation-fighting credibility.

Will the Fed Hike Rates Twice this Year?

They consider the possibility that the Fed hikes twice to bolster credibility, then must cut rates as the economy weakens and the policy mistake becomes apparent.

Walsh, Bessent, & Signals to the Market

Lance and Michael discuss conflicting signals from Warsh and Treasury officials, including pressure for QE and the difficulty of maintaining Fed independence and credibility.

Go Back and Watch Truflation Interview w Oliver Rust: https://www.youtube.com/live/603EdhToXq8?si=irUSKOwd9oEDb2hM

Michael challenges Warsh’s inflation arguments by emphasizing trimmed-mean measures and the greater importance of heavily weighted categories such as shelter and energy.

Scott Bessent "I am the House"

Michael notes that Warsh can influence the FOMC discussion but cannot prevent a hike if a majority supports it, even if he votes against the decision.

Ten Year Treasury Auction Results

Lance recommends a Trueflation interview with Oliver Rust that explains its real-time methodology, relationship with the Fed, and differences from CPI.

S&P 500 Trend Index

Michael interprets Bessent’s claim that he is the house as a warning to yen traders and potentially a veiled threat to Treasury markets.

In the End-phase of Secular Bullish Trend

The discussion connects Bessent’s history with Soros and Druckenmiller to current currency intervention, yen carry-trade risks, and large Treasury short positions.

Moving Into a More Normal Rate Environment

Strong ten-year Treasury auction demand and yields near 4.7% to 4.8% make bonds more attractive, while elevated equity valuations and extended trends suggest a mature bull market and shifting institutional allocations.

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