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With Buybacks Ending, A Market Correction Is Not Off The Table | Lance Roberts

Roberts sees potential political gridlock, uncertain Iran negotiations, and possible gasoline subsidies as developments that could affect policy and inflation, while a gold revaluation could face legal challenges and undermine confidence in the dollar. Economic discussion centers on weak payrolls, temporary inflation drivers, Treasury buybacks, and the possibility that Kevin Warsh initially leaves rates unchanged. Markets face reduced buyback demand, narrowing breadth, algorithm-driven volatility, concentrated Treasury short positions, and elevated valuation risk, with Roberts favoring downside protection and warning that equities bought at 40 times earnings could produce a negative 2.6% annualized return over the next decade.

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Roberts thinks Republicans could lose the House while retaining the Senate, creating gridlock that Wall Street may favor even as it hinders the Trump administration's agenda; he also would not be surprised by new Iran negotiations within roughly three weeks to gain election leverage. He says the administration could also use gasoline subsidies or household payments, though he warns that such assistance could be highly inflationary.

The 162,000 payroll gain exceeded expectations but remained below the roughly 200,000 monthly replacement rate, while wage growth declined from 3.2% to 3.1%. Against that backdrop, Roberts's best guess is that Kevin Warsh would initially hold rates steady because oil and tariffs may be temporary inflation drivers and an immediate hike could later require a reversal.

An administrative gold revaluation faces an unresolved legal question because the valuation is set by statute, so a Treasury secretary acting alone could trigger an immediate fight over whether Congress must approve it. Roberts says the move could recognize roughly $1 trillion in assets and expand the monetary supply through the Treasury General Account, but would not alter the deficit trajectory and could damage confidence in the dollar.

High-frequency trading firms use colocated computers and algorithms that can process information far faster than people, while algorithms can trade across multiple asset classes as soon as jobs data or other headlines appear. Roberts says this technology gap helps explain rapid rotations and reversals that may not reflect fundamentals and leaves individual day traders at a structural disadvantage.

Several market-support and stability indicators are weakening at the same time: the corporate buyback blackout removes a source of stock demand, RSP is underperforming the headline S&P 500, and the month's largest-ever third-Friday options expiration could raise turnover and volatility across stocks, precious metals, and other assets. Roberts also says S&P puts are relatively cheap because investors are demanding little downside insurance.

GEO-POLITICS

Election Gridlock — Roberts thinks Republicans could lose the House while retaining the Senate, creating greater political gridlock. Wall Street may favor that outcome, but it could hinder the Trump administration’s agenda. He also warns that election polls have historically been unreliable.

“I think there's a decently high probability that Republicans lose the house. They'll probably keep the Senate, but they'll probably lose the house.”—

Iran Negotiations — Roberts would not be surprised if the administration began new negotiations with Iran within roughly three weeks to gain leverage before the election.

“There's been some tidbits of drops from the administration about what's going on with Iran, the pressure moves, those type of things…”—

Gas Subsidies — The administration could subsidize gasoline or send households gas payments instead of relying only on Strategic Petroleum Reserve releases. Roberts says such assistance could be highly inflationary.

“The government can maybe just step in and just start subsidizing the cost of gas in The US or could send, you know, checks to households for gas…”—

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TECHNOLOGY

Trading Speed — High-frequency trading algorithms can process a lifetime’s worth of trading in the time it takes a person to blink. Institutions colocate computers near exchanges to reduce latency.

“And really, you know, these algos can do these high frequency trading algos can trade basically a lifetime's worth of trading, you know, for a human and the time it…”—

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ECONOMY

Weak Payrolls — The 162,000 payroll gain exceeded expectations but remained below the roughly 200,000 monthly replacement rate. Year-over-year wage growth fell from 3.2% to 3.1%, while August hiring could receive a temporary boost from seasonal back-to-school employment.

“It was a good employment number there, a 162,000. Our replacement rate on a monthly basis is about 200…”—

Warsh Hold — Roberts’s best guess is that Kevin Warsh will initially leave rates unchanged while seeking more data. He argues that oil and tariffs may be temporary inflation drivers, and hiking now could later require a reversal.

“So my expectations, I don't think he hikes rates. I don't think he cuts rates…”—

Treasury Buybacks — Roberts describes the Treasury buyback operation as routine balance-sheet management, not a new Operation Twist or quantitative-easing program. The initial operation is about $4 billion and involves issuing short paper to buy longer-term paper.

“This really isn't even operation twist. This is just basically cash balance sheet management. And all the Fed's doing is issuing short paper to buy some long paper.”—

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MARKETS

Buyback Blackout — The corporate buyback blackout removes a source of stock-market demand for several weeks, potentially leaving the market more vulnerable to headline and geopolitical risk.

“Corporations aren't selling stock, but they're just not gonna be buying as much stock…”—

Fed Dependence — Roberts says markets became dependent on Federal Reserve signals over the past 15 years. The effort to rely less on those signals is contributing to volatility.

“But, you know, we changed all that last 15 years and now the markets are solely dependent on this…”—

Treasury Basis Trade — About 50 hedge funds own roughly 8.5% of the Treasury market and are heavily short through leveraged positions. Roberts says this has pushed the term premium above economic fundamentals.

“We've got basically 50 hedge funds that own 8.5 percent of the treasury market and they're shoving interest rates around because of basically they're leveraging that Treasury play…”—

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FORECASTS

Bond Short Squeeze — Large Treasury short positions could eventually produce a bond short squeeze. Roberts says he may buy long-duration assets when short covering becomes a tradable opportunity.

“It does mean if things go against them, could be the opportunity for a big short squeeze in bonds.”—

Negative Equity Returns — Roberts’s example suggests that buying equities at 40 times earnings could produce a negative 2.6% annualized return over the next decade.

“If I'm 50 today and I'm gonna retire at 65 and I'm investing today at 40 times earnings, that's a negative 2…”—

Bond Returns — Roberts says bonds yielding roughly 5% could provide a better 10-year return profile than equities purchased at valuations implying a negative 2.6% annualized return.

“If I can buy bonds paying 5% on average right now, either corporates or treasuries, and I can lock in a 5% rate of return over the next 10 years…”—

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Market Correction Setup

Roberts expects consolidation rather than a crash, while warning that a 3% to 5% pullback toward key moving averages remains possible.

Payrolls And Fed Policy

The payrolls beat looks stronger than expected but remains weak economically, with seasonal hiring and declining wages arguing against an immediate rate hike.

Fed Signals And Volatility

Roberts says markets are trying to function without constant Federal Reserve signals, but public comments from officials continue driving volatility.

Treasury Buyback Mechanics

Treasury buybacks are characterized as routine balance-sheet management rather than an unprecedented attempt to manipulate interest rates.

Hedge Fund Treasury Shorts

Large leveraged Treasury short positions may have pushed term premiums above fundamentals, creating a possible future bond short squeeze.

September Market Risks

Weak breadth, major options expiration, fading corporate buybacks, and month-end rebalancing could increase volatility despite otherwise bullish technical conditions.

Narrowing Market Breadth

The market is increasingly concentrated in technology and semiconductors as rapid sector rotations make portfolio management unusually difficult.

Algorithmic Trading Advantage

High-frequency algorithms process headlines and trade across assets far faster than individuals, making headline reactions especially dangerous for retail investors.

Trading Hurts Retirement Returns

Decimalization, free commissions, and constant information access have encouraged excessive trading that research shows typically damages retirement outcomes.

Valuation And Buy-And-Hold

Roberts argues that buy-and-hold can work from low valuations but may produce a negative 2.6% annualized return when equities begin near 40 times earnings.

Selling And Loss Aversion

Investors often plan carefully when buying but fail to establish sell disciplines, allowing loss aversion and stale holdings to undermine results.

CAPE Versus PEG Valuations

High CAPE ratios imply lower future returns, while low PEG ratios can indicate value if optimistic earnings growth estimates actually materialize.

Investor Psychology Traps

Narratives, confirmation bias, anchoring, greed, and fear can cause investors to make rash decisions during ordinary market volatility.

Downside Protection Strategy

Roberts is adding inexpensive S&P puts, cash, defensive value, and bond-duration adjustments while waiting for greater clarity around the midterms.

Midterm Election Risks

Roberts expects political uncertainty before the midterms, with a possible House flip, continued Senate control, and resulting policy gridlock.

Iran And Gasoline Subsidies

The administration could seek Iran negotiations or gasoline assistance before the election, although either response could carry credibility or inflation risks.

Policy Over Political Identity

The hosts urge voters to evaluate economic policies rather than personalities, while debating socialism, capitalism, financial literacy, and political accountability.

Gold Revaluation Debate

Gold remains valued at $42.22 per ounce by statute, and changing that figure could require legal action while creating misleading fiscal optics.

Gold Revaluation Risks

Historical examples suggest reserve revaluation is associated with fiscal distress, and a sudden American revaluation could undermine confidence in the dollar.

Progress And Long-Term Habits

The hosts connect fitness, finances, and investing through the importance of celebrating incremental progress, building supportive relationships, and developing durable habits.

Closing And Conference Promotion

Taggart closes with investing guidance, advisor resources, conference details, and a reminder to subscribe before ending the discussion.

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