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The Secret to Long-Term Investing with Raoul Pal | The Journey Man

Pal frames investing around staying with secular trends in Bitcoin, the Nasdaq, technology, and crypto, while using trend indicators to inform allocation and risk adjustments. He ties a rising ISM and liquidity to business-cycle expansion, and stresses position sizing, favorable risk-reward, and cash reserves for market dislocations. His asset examples include hypothetical Ethereum scenarios, Tesla's trend and volatility, and a possible bond-market reversal that he does not trade.

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Pal treats Bitcoin and the Nasdaq as secular trends to hold through, using log-regression channels to inform allocation rather than as short-term trading signals. For Bitcoin, he says one standard deviation oversold has tended to be a favorable entry and he would generally wait until two standard deviations overbought to sell; investors who cannot tolerate drawdowns could instead use weekly trend indicators to adjust risk.

Pal says crypto was two standard deviations oversold relative to the Nasdaq while both were in secular uptrends, prompting him to reallocate more technology exposure into crypto. He favors technology and crypto for their adoption-supported trends and potential to outperform currency debasement, and says a rising ISM and liquidity signal an expansion that supports his generally long positioning in those assets.

Pal puts Tesla’s annual trend return at roughly 45% and says holding it has required tolerating substantial volatility; he describes its weekly trend as currently negative. He identifies 508 as a risk level whose breach on weekly charts could mark an acceleration phase, while noting that downside counts are rare given the stock’s trend return unless something is changing.

Pal says an oversold break below a trend channel should prompt investors to assess whether the business has changed or pessimism has become excessive: Facebook reached three standard deviations oversold in 2022, and he concluded its business model was not broken. This complements his warning that Bitcoin’s oversold readings are not perfect signals, even though those levels have tended to work as entry points.

Pal reads a rising ISM and rising liquidity as signs of a full-cycle expansion that can bring more earnings and capital into markets. He describes the dollar’s long-term trend as stronger but says it could weaken in the interim; in his view, dollar tightening would tighten liquidity and financial conditions, while a relatively steady dollar lets existing trends continue.

ASSET-OUTLOOK

Tesla Returns And Risk — Pal's log-regression calculation puts Tesla's annual trend return at 45%, and he emphasizes that holding the stock has required tolerating substantial volatility. He also describes Tesla as a 45%-volatile stock at that time, noting it can be more volatile.

“the trend itself is 45% a year. So just holding Tesla over time you make 45% a year…”—

Ethereum Scenarios — Pal gives hypothetical Ethereum scenarios of $60,000 by July 2028 under a two-standard-deviation-overbought assumption, and about $18,000 in Q2 2027 under a slower-trend assumption. He explicitly says the first example is not a prediction.

“Now, two standard deviations overbought. Let's say we get there by July 2028. I'm just taking a random example. It's not a prediction…”—

MARKET-CYCLE

Expansion And Assets — Pal reads a rising ISM and rising liquidity as signs of a full-cycle expansion. He says this supports a generally long portfolio, with crypto and technology as his preferred secular trends, and that an expanding business cycle brings more earnings and capital into markets.

“So the business cycle here at the simplest level, well the business cycle trend, the ISM is rising. It's above the green dots. I it's trending higher…”—

RISK-MANAGEMENT

Volatility-Based Sizing — Pal cites 16% volatility for the Nasdaq 100 and 59% for Solana to show why position sizes should reflect asset risk. Highly volatile assets generally warrant smaller positions unless an investor deliberately chooses to overweight them and accepts the associated drawdowns.

“So volatility is your way of understanding how risky the asset is to allow you to size your own positions accordingly. Everybody sizes positions differently depending on your risk tolerance…”—

Ethereum Risk-Reward — Pal illustrates a hypothetical Ethereum risk-reward scenario with $1,500 as a downside level against a current price of $2,700. He describes this as roughly 50% downside versus 300% upside, not as a guaranteed return or forecast.

“So, trend line is currently at 1,600. Let's say 1,500. Okay, 1,500. ETH is currently at 2700. So, that's 1,200 points of risk…”—

TREND-STRATEGY

Trend-Based Allocation — Pal identifies Bitcoin and the Nasdaq as long-term secular trends, saying their positions relative to log-regression channels can inform major allocation decisions. He emphasizes staying with secular trends rather than treating the indicator as a trading signal.

“Here I've taken the two most top level trends which is Bitcoin and Nasdaq. Those are the two that are obviously in long-term secular trends…”—

Bitcoin Trend Signals — Pal says Bitcoin has tended to perform well when bought at one standard deviation oversold; one-and-a-half standard deviations oversold has also worked, though neither is a perfect signal. He would generally wait until two standard deviations overbought to sell, allowing him to stay with the secular trend.

“So on this one, I know that Bitcoin tends to do fantastically if you buy it for one standard deviation oversold…”—

Tesla Trend Risk — Pal says Tesla's weekly trend is currently negative, while green dots mark potential buying opportunities. With a roughly 45% annual trend return, downside counts rarely appear unless something is changing. He identifies 508 as a risk level whose breach on weekly charts could mark an acceleration phase.

“Okay, where is the weekly trend on Tesla right now? Now, it's not been very trendy. As you can see, it's been choppy. So, weekly trend is currently negative…”—

Raoul Pal’s Trading Philosophy

Pal contrasts his earlier short-horizon, stop-loss-driven trading with a preference for holding assets in secular uptrends and managing risk across the cycle.

How Raoul Approaches Investing and Risk

He recommends sizing risk to personal tolerance, choosing favorable risk-reward setups, and understanding the potential portfolio loss from accumulated positions.

The Compounding Machine: Why Secular Trends Matter

Pal uses log-regression channels for Bitcoin and the Nasdaq to identify long-term trends, using oversold and overbought levels to guide allocation rather than day trading.

Business Cycles, Liquidity, and Portfolio Positioning

He reads a rising ISM and rising liquidity as signals of business-cycle expansion, which supports a broadly long portfolio tilted toward technology and crypto.

How to Size Positions Using Volatility

Because volatility varies substantially by asset, Pal says investors should size positions accordingly and consider how each holding affects total portfolio risk.

Tesla: Finding Entries in a Secular Uptrend

For Tesla, Pal uses its long-term trend and chart consolidations to find entries, favoring oversold pullbacks over chasing breakouts.

Using Trend Indicators, Stop Losses, and DeMark Signals

Pal combines weekly trend signals, stop-loss or thesis-based exit rules, and DeMark exhaustion counts, while warning that choppy markets can create false signals.

Why the Dollar Matters for Liquidity and Markets

He describes the dollar as a key influence on liquidity, distinguishing its short-term weakness from its longer-term strength and watching for signs of tighter financial conditions.

Ethereum: Measuring the Long-Term Opportunity

Pal assesses Ethereum with log-regression channels and DeMark signals, highlighting its historical return trend, oversold readings, and potential for a breakout from consolidation.

Ethereum’s Risk/Reward and Potential Upside

Using hypothetical ETH price levels, Pal illustrates how a large upside could outweigh defined downside, making favorable risk-reward central to compounding.

Sui: How Raoul Approaches Higher-Risk Crypto Bets

Pal treats Sui as a higher-risk, early-stage crypto position, assessing its rising lows, technical signals, potential wedge breakout, and deliberately limited downside.

Combining Technicals With the Macro Backdrop

Pal pairs chart analysis with macro-season and liquidity indicators, concluding that the business-cycle backdrop supports his technology and crypto thesis.

Why Raoul Concentrates in Technology and Crypto

He concentrates in technology and crypto because he believes adoption and high long-term returns make them attractive against currency debasement, while acknowledging his financial circumstances allow volatility.

Building a Portfolio Around Time Horizon and Risk

Pal advises matching portfolio risk to time horizon, maintaining cash for market dislocations, and checking that business cycles, liquidity, trends, and investment theses align.

Why Raoul Prefers Holding Over Trading the Cycle

He favors holding secular trends over trying to trade crypto cycle tops and bottoms, accepts drawdowns in core positions, and avoids leverage because he believes staying invested is easier.

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