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Software Loans Are on Sale | Matthew Bloomfield of Palmer Square Capital Management

Speakers argued the 2026 software‑loan selloff driven by AI fears is concentrated and likely overstated given modest direct exposure (~11%) and potential AI efficiencies. They emphasized CLOs' structural protections, broad diversification (~300 borrowers), and mechanics like prepayments and 'building par' that can convert volatility into long‑term opportunity, while describing Palmer Square's structured‑credit positioning to exploit dislocations. Public BDC NAV transparency, fee structures and recent Fed easing have widened discounts that may present a multi‑year buying opportunity, even as defaults remain elevated and spreads are expected to reverse.

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Key Takeaways

CLOs are structured to absorb defaults and de‑leverage through embedded triggers and tranche subordination, while offering granular, loan‑level transparency across roughly 300 borrowers — features that make CLO equity and senior tranches resilient through stress.

Episodes of severe volatility have historically created attractive entry points for CLO equity: managers bought loan portfolios at multi‑point discounts, reinvested paydowns, and later captured outsized returns — a playbook being reenacted as managers eye a potential sourcing window around Q3 2025.

Liability‑side moves drive most CLO equity returns — wide liability spreads (new‑issue CLO BBs in the mid‑500s) can create compelling entry yields even though AAA spreads have only modestly widened (roughly ~115bps to ~125bps year‑to‑date).

The loan market’s mechanical dynamics — ~20% annual prepayments and borrower repricing roughly every six months — enable managers to ‘build par’ by reinvesting paydowns into discounted loans, increasing the collateral base and future income even if market marks show volatility.

Public BDCs’ monthly NAV transparency and tradable marks create higher measured NAV volatility and wider public discounts that likely overstate underlying losses, presenting what the manager calls a multi‑year buying opportunity; Ares is cited as a favored, well‑run public BDC to own.

TECHNOLOGY

Software Selloff — Software-focused loans sold off meaningfully in early 2026 as investors priced heightened AI disruption risk, with some loans retreating from at-or-above-par toward par. Management says the move is concentrated and overstated: the firm's direct software exposure is modest (~11%), many software companies can benefit from AI efficiencies, and headline narratives plus redemption-driven flows amplified public BDC discounts.

“I think what you've seen, you know, particularly, you know, back half of January into February and March, you know, has predominantly been focused on, you know, software and businesses…”—

ECONOMY

CLO Structure — A CLO operates as a standalone vehicle holding a diversified pool (~300 loans) and issues debt tranches, providing portfolio‑level diversification. Managers are using warehouses to form private‑credit CLOs and BDC-retained CLO portions consolidate onto issuers' balance sheets, so issuance does not eliminate economic exposure.

“We like to think of it as you know a company…”—

BDC NAVs — Management stresses monthly NAV transparency and argues their NAV is executable, which helps explain larger market discounts for public BDCs. About 175 bps of Fed cuts reduced distributable cash flow on floating‑rate loans, prompting many BDCs (including this firm) to repurchase shares to capture accretive returns while preserving origination optionality; firms capitalized during the zero‑rate era still struggle to grow into those capital structures.

“so we think investors should, you know, should believe in that nav, right? It's it's executable…”—

MARKETS

Palmer Square — Palmer Square manages roughly $37 billion with a heavy concentration in structured credit and the CLO market, positioning itself as a credit underwriter that will act on secondary‑market dislocations. It is expanding from vanilla syndicated‑loan CLOs into private‑credit CLOs, and BDC allocations to CLO‑related positions vary across issuers.

“Most of what we're going to talk about today is your the Palmer Square business development company of which you are the president…”—

Fee Economics — Broadly syndicated loans typically generate lower spreads, but many BDCs charge fees on gross assets (including borrowings), which can materially worsen investor returns; this firm's private‑credit tilt (private credit rose to just over 10%) aims to capture higher spreads versus the syndicated side.

“The market we traffic in on more on the broadly syndicated side tends to be lower spread, right?…”—

NAV Volatility — Syndicated assets receive market marks and tradability, causing greater NAV volatility for public BDCs versus private credit vehicles and contributing to larger discounts for BDCs with more public assets. Public filings are detailed, but legal borrower names in reports can obscure operating‑company recognition for investors.

“It is a slightly more vanilla asset class, an asset class that has greater history…”—

FORECASTS

BDC Discounts — The speaker believes private‑credit marks are opaque and public BDC discounts have widened more than fundamentals warrant, historically creating attractive yields. He expects that in one to two years many investors will view this period as an attractive entry point, though higher NAV volatility—especially for recent IPOs—may amplify current dislocations.

“So, we, you know, we do feel like we're trading at a at a bigger discount than, than we should warrant given, you know, investors should u should see and…”—

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