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It’s Time to Reduce Your Equity Market Risk | Warren Pies

Pies sees a concentrated risk window from August 15 through October 15, with midterm politics, potential AI-related intervention, inflation data, oil prices, and an uncertain September Fed decision all capable of unsettling markets. He has reduced equity risk around 7,800 to a neutral stance while maintaining a supportive view of earnings, arguing that the market is shifting back toward macro risk after extrapolating strong results into 2027 and 2028. His longer-term outlook remains constructive on AI and energy, but he says AI leadership requires credible revenue and investment returns, while energy can provide diversification when stocks and bonds move together.

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Pies views the roughly $105 billion combined ARR reported for Anthropic and OpenAI—about $10 billion below his prior estimate—as important evidence for assessing whether AI revenue can support future IPOs, infrastructure spending, and external capital inflows. He says the next durable equity-market leg requires hyperscalers and semiconductor companies to rise together, backed by credible cloud revenue and GPU rental economics.

Pies argues that AI's political risk extends beyond technology performance: potential intervention could slow data-center construction, while weak public messaging and distrust of figures such as Sam Altman and Elon Musk may erode support. He expects AI companies to highlight near-term healthcare and drug-development successes to demonstrate tangible benefits and improve public opinion.

Pies sees a possible September Fed hike as underpriced after hike odds fell from 75% to 30% and recovered to roughly 42%, especially with oil above $90, elevated CPI and PPI nowcasts, and an upcoming PCE report. He argues that a hike could initially lift long-term yields through the yield curve and term premium, while the 10-year yield would need to move materially above 4.7% to meaningfully slow the economy.

Pies identifies August 15 through October 15 as a concentrated risk window because unfavorable seasonals, market structure, and macro events—including Jackson Hole, the Fed meeting, AI-related IPOs, and the midterm elections—may not be fully priced. Consistent with that caution, his firm reduced equity risk around 7,800 to neutral rather than making an outright bearish call, while noting that earnings support remains constructive.

Pies says equities are shifting from an earnings-driven phase back toward macro risk after investors extrapolated strong results into 2027 and 2028, with correlations rising less than expected during earnings season. He also cautions that broad market participation does not by itself confirm a durable advance, since unusually broad gains occurred during the 2000–2002 bear market and technology—roughly half of the S&P 500—must eventually reassert leadership.

GEO-POLITICS

Midterm Risk — Pies sees a meaningful possibility of a Democratic wave in the midterm elections, creating another source of market uncertainty. He argues that investors typically become more cautious during the midterm cycle and should monitor prediction markets, polling, and public opinion because equity prices may move before the election.

“you have midterm elections and increasingly I think that the midterm elections are going to be a blue wave, maybe a blue tsunami…”—

Political Constraints — Pies warns that political intervention could slow the data-center buildout, although its form remains unclear. He also questions whether data-center dependence could become a major election issue capable of disrupting an expected post-election rally.

“Yeah, it's hard to say. I think that you could just slow the data center buildout…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Revenue Validation — Leaked Anthropic and OpenAI annual recurring revenue figures totaled about $105 billion, below Pies’s prior estimate of roughly $115 billion. He views the $10 billion shortfall as significant because lab revenue helps validate external capital inflows, future IPOs, and infrastructure spending across the AI ecosystem.

“You have these big lab IPOs up ahead of us. And then recently, we had the ARR numbers for Anthropic and OpenAI leak…”—

Compute Demand — Rising H200 availability may indicate that the scramble for computing capacity is beginning to ease, although stable B200 conditions do not yet suggest a meaningful demand shift. Pies says the next durable equity-market leg requires hyperscalers and semiconductors to rise together, supported by evidence that cloud revenue and GPU rental rates can generate credible data-center returns.

“So, it makes sense. But, maybe there's a little signal in that H200 availability going up. Maybe this all out grab for compute might be ebbing a bit.”—

ECONOMY

Hike Repricing — The market’s risk backdrop shifted as single-stock volatility fell from 50 to 35 and September Fed-hike odds dropped from 75% to 30% before recovering to roughly 42%. Pies argues that incoming data was not as dovish as the market’s reaction suggested, leaving the Fed potentially closer to a hike than current pricing implies.

“Now we have kind of the opposite of all that. We've had single stock vol go from 50 to 35…”—

Inflation Pressure — Higher oil prices, elevated CPI and PPI nowcasts, and the final PCE report before the next meeting could make it harder for the Fed to dismiss near-term inflation risks. Pies also argues that officials’ Phillips-curve framework may interpret falling unemployment as a tighter labor market, even when a weak jobs report reflects reduced labor-force participation.

“And so, I think that he's describing political pressure and the political pressure that comes from higher oil prices and that goes back to like, you know, we've seen CPI…”—

MARKETS

Neutral Posture — After remaining overweight through the rally, Pies’s firm reduced equity risk around 7,800 and moved to a neutral stance rather than making an outright bearish call. With earnings season over and the September Fed decision uncertain, investors who are overweight or ahead of their benchmarks should focus on protecting gains.

“And so off of that big bounce we had coming out of earning season, we got up to right about a 7,800 and that was a really about where we…”—

Earnings Support — Pies continues to view the earnings backdrop as supportive and maintains his earlier expectation of an earnings-explosion year. He also describes a historically favorable setup in which elevated semiconductor and single-stock volatility could decline through earnings season while correlations rise, supporting stocks.

“So, the baseline takeaway, we've been very bullish on earnings all year, something we pointed out back in December that we expected this to be an earnings explosion year.”—

Macro Risk Returns — Pies argues that the market is shifting back toward macro risk after investors extrapolated strong earnings into 2027 and 2028. Correlations rose less than expected during earnings season, leaving equities more exposed to a possible macro-driven volatility event now that earnings are largely in the rearview.

“There's extrapolation out to 2027, 2028, and all that stuff. And that might work. I'm not really making a call on that…”—

FORECASTS

Risk Window — Pies identifies August 15 through October 15 as a concentrated risk window shaped by unfavorable seasonals, market structure, and macro events that may not be fully priced. Potential catalysts include the Fed meeting, Jackson Hole, AI-related IPOs, and the midterm elections.

“I just think it's that this is that window…”—

September Hike — Pies believes a September rate hike is possible and would position underweight stocks if he knew with certainty that the Fed would hike. He also argues that the 10-year yield would need to rise materially above its current 4.7% level before monetary policy meaningfully slows economic activity, so a hike would not automatically push the long-term yield lower.

“So, could the that core of the committee, along with the dissents, along with Lisa Cook, who's talked to directly about AI investment as inflationary, could they get together and…”—

Intro

Max Wiethe introduces Warren Pies of 314 Research and frames the discussion around Pies’s decision to reduce equity exposure after the recent market rally.

Why Macro Takes Over

Pies argues macro risk is reasserting itself after earnings season, with correlations still unusually low and investors focused too heavily on forward earnings extrapolations.

Earnings Season Structure

Pies maintains that earnings remain fundamentally strong, but the market has already priced in much of the expected earnings acceleration through 2027 and 2028.

Upcoming Macro Catalysts

He identifies the post-earnings period as vulnerable because single-stock volatility has collapsed while correlations remain low, leaving markets exposed to renewed macro shocks.

Fed Hike Odds Mispriced

Pies believes September hike odds are closer to fairly valued near 40% than the market’s earlier 30% pricing, and says incoming inflation data has not been sufficiently dovish.

Political Pressure on Fed

Political pressure, higher oil prices, labor-market interpretations, and inflation concerns could push Federal Reserve officials toward a September hike despite mixed economic data.

Sponsor Break HFGM

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Coin Flip Meeting Dynamics

Pies describes the September Federal Reserve meeting as genuinely live, with committee divisions and unresolved data making the decision a close call.

Rates Curve and Term Premium

He distinguishes the 10-year Treasury from the less economically consequential 30-year and argues current yields do not signal a serious Federal Reserve credibility crisis.

How to Position in September

Pies says a hike would likely produce a historical bear flattening, with two-year yields rising more than 10-year yields rather than long rates falling.

Tech Breadth and AI Cracks

Given uncertain Fed dynamics and limited confidence in the September outcome, Pies recommends neutral equity positioning and protecting gains after a strong year.

Lab ARR Reality Check

Pies views broadening as helpful but says the market ultimately needs technology leadership to reassert itself because technology represents such a large share of the index.

Tech Leadership Needed

He remains strongly bullish on AI but notes leaked Anthropic and OpenAI annual recurring revenue figures fell short of expectations, raising questions about ecosystem economics.

Data Center ROI Debate

Pies explains that lab revenue is the key external validation for massive AI investment, while GPU availability data showed potentially concerning but ultimately benign changes.

Election and Policy Risk

He concludes that H200 availability increased for understandable pricing reasons while coveted Blackwell B200 capacity remains constrained, suggesting demand has not materially broken.

AI Issuance Scapegoats

Pies says the ideal next market leg requires semiconductors and hyperscalers to rise together, confirming that AI spending is generating attractive returns.

Energy as Diversifier

He believes recent earnings largely resolved the data-center return-on-investment debate, though elections and possible restrictions on data-center construction remain meaningful risks.

Anthropic IPO Impact

Pies warns that a Democratic wave could slow AI infrastructure through policy changes and argues AI companies need tangible public-facing benefits to improve their political standing.

Software Versus Semis

He rejects the idea that hyperscaler debt issuance is driving Treasury weakness, arguing federal deficits and government borrowing are the more important source of higher capital costs.

Pair Trades and Correlations

Pies supports a structural energy overweight because energy can diversify portfolios when stocks and bonds become positively correlated during inflationary or geopolitical regimes.

Fade Macro Risk Playbook

He expects an Anthropic IPO to pressure software valuations more than semiconductors, while describing the recent software-versus-semiconductor divergence as largely technical and position-driven.

Conclusion

Pies says investors should ultimately return to AI leadership after macro risks pass, while Max closes with a promotion for 314 Research’s Caliban AI platform.

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