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Gracy Chen: This Will Trigger Bitcoin's Bull Market

Chen sees crypto's clearest near-term opportunities in financial infrastructure, including stablecoins and tokenized assets, while noting that many crypto-native applications have yet to deliver on their promises. She says the four-year cycle points to bear-market risk in 2026 and links a potential $1 million Bitcoin price by 2035 to conditions including continued strength and reserve buying. The host separately points to possible adoption and liquidity gains if the Clarity Act passes.

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Chen says the coming weeks will be important for whether the U.S. advances a Bitcoin reserve and whether the Clarity Act passes, but midterm timing and the difficulty of bipartisan support leave both outcomes uncertain. The host says Clarity Act approval could bring more adoption or liquidity into crypto markets.

Chen says Bitcoin's rise from about $65,000 to $80,000 and the rapid shift in sentiment were not matched by a comparable change in fundamentals; she points to Trump's crypto conference and support for the Clarity Act while noting passage remained uncertain. Separately, the host reports renewed messages from people who had ignored crypto for two years and increased trading volume, while cautioning that this is anecdotal rather than a market-wide measure.

Chen sees blockchain's financial-infrastructure potential in stablecoins that could reduce some cross-border transaction and foreign-exchange fees—about 6% by the World Bank estimate she cites—and in tokenized stocks and commodities. She says tokenized private credit and money market funds currently have the highest penetration, at about 0.5% to 1%, describes collaboration with the NYSE and Nasdaq as an opportunity, and predicts real-world asset penetration could reach about 10% by 2030 and 20% to 30% by 2035.

Chen says many crypto-native applications have not fulfilled their promises and that many projects lack long-term sustainability; the host similarly argues that protocols and utility coins have struggled to generate value, with some projects facing selling after launch. The host says successful chains need a distinct utility people want to use, citing Zcash's privacy features as an example.

GEO-POLITICS

US Bitcoin Reserve — Chen says the coming weeks will be important in determining whether the US moves ahead with a Bitcoin reserve, whether the Clarity Act passes, and whether the Treasury buys Bitcoin rather than simply holding existing holdings. Midterm timing and the challenge of securing bipartisan support make both outcomes uncertain, she says.

“I think the upcoming few weeks are indeed very important important, you know, right before midterm whether clarity act can be passed and then the finance department will really spend…”—

TECHNOLOGY

STEM Gender Balance — Chen says MIT's STEM student ratios are more balanced than stereotypes suggest, at roughly 40/60 or 45/55—not 10/90.

“That's not true. No matter it's bachelor's STEM subjects or it's you know master's degree we actually see a very equal ratio…”—

Leadership Pipeline — Chen observes that exchanges can have a fairly balanced workforce at lower levels, while women's representation appears to decline higher in the hierarchy.

“so many times when when we think about you know technology subjects or finance subjects that that at least as a as a subject for studying it's actually quite equal…”—

Bitcoin Adoption — Chen encourages people to own at least some Bitcoin to experience how it differs from fiat currency. Adoption takes time, she notes, because Bitcoin is a new technology.

“Similarly I think everyone should at least own one Bitcoin or you know 0…”—

MARKETS

Protocol Value — The host argues that protocols and utility coins have struggled to generate value within their own ecosystems. Some projects raise venture capital, then face selling pressure after launch, he says.

“But if you look at protocols themselves or like actual utility coins, they still can't find an actual way of generating value within its own protocol…”—

Onchain Stock Trading — Chen says trading volume rose as more tokenized stocks, including SpaceX and Binance-related equity products, were listed. More people began trading onchain versions of stocks instead of using traditional exchanges, and she expects the shift to continue.

“We listed their token and we started to see the volume going up but it's mainly until this year when there are more stocks such as SpaceX listed such as…”—

Bitcoin Sentiment — Chen says Bitcoin's rise from about $65,000 to $80,000 and the rapid shift in sentiment were not matched by a comparable change in fundamentals. She points to Trump's crypto conference and support for the Clarity Act, while noting that passage remained uncertain.

“But the markets are now hopefully consistently waking up with Bitcoin breaking from like $65,000 to now $80,000.”—

FORECASTS

2026 Bear Risk — Chen says the four-year cycle makes 2026 look more like a bear-market phase, or its beginning, than the start of a bull market. If 2026 resembles 2022, another black-swan event could push Bitcoin lower, she says.

“And if you look at the four-year cycle, this seems to me more of the bare market or starting of a bare market than a start of a bull market…”—

RWA Adoption Targets — Chen predicts tokenized real-world assets could reach about 10% penetration by 2030 and perhaps 20% to 30% by 2035.

“So my 10% vision is that by 2030 all these penetration ratio should be around 10%. Hopefully…”—

Intro

Women In Crypto

Bitcoin Mass Adoption

Crypto's Innovation Dilemma

AI And Crypto

Real World Assets

Market Sentiment

Competing As An Exchange

Building Trust

Challenges Ahead

Future Of Crypto

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