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Dollar at the "Danger Stage" - US has Become an Emerging Market | Tavi Costa

Costa argues that rising U.S. debt-service costs could push policymakers toward rate cuts, yield suppression, or currency devaluation, with inflation or deflation as the eventual resolution. He sees potential upside for gold, silver, hard assets, and mining companies, while warning that miners will face growing pressure to replenish reserves and deliver growth. His investment focus centers on mining, energy, and Latin America, particularly over a five- to ten-year horizon.

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Costa argues that rising U.S. interest payments, approaching 5% of GDP, could pressure policymakers toward rate cuts or other interventions even if inflation and labor-market conditions do not justify them. He says suppressed rates and a weaker dollar could follow, making the policy environment potentially extremely bullish for hard assets.

Costa frames the U.S. fiscal and monetary imbalance as a choice between major deflation and major inflation, with inflation initially masking the problem before becoming a problem itself. He also argues that the U.S. may increasingly resemble an emerging market because currency devaluation could be needed to make exports more affordable, conflicting with a strong-dollar policy.

The discussion links the dollar's advance warning to a reversal in the two-year Treasury yield from 4.35% to 4.15%, while Costa expects future policy intervention could suppress Treasury rates further. In his view, a weaker dollar could be a consequence of measures resembling yield-curve control.

Costa sees a valuation disconnect in mining equities because bank targets generally assume gold prices will be lower 10 to 15 years from now, while investors expecting a steeply rising gold-price curve may find mining companies more attractive. He says miners are improving through dividends, cleaner balance sheets, and margin discipline, but eventual reserve depletion could make credible growth increasingly important.

ECONOMY

Fed Policy Shift — Costa argues that the Fed's relevance to monetary policy is becoming less important. In his opinion, policymakers may push for rate cuts regardless of inflation and labor-market conditions, a scenario he says would likely be extremely bullish for hard assets.

“I think that the Fed's relevance in terms of monetary policies in the process of becoming irrelevant…”—

Yield Curve Control — Costa says intervention in the Japanese yen could set a precedent for more direct Federal Reserve and policymaker intervention in the U.S. Treasury market. He expects rates could be suppressed, potentially through a policy resembling yield-curve control, with a weaker dollar as a possible consequence.

“I would also say that this intervention of the Japanese yen was absolutely critical here in the short term as well…”—

Debt Service Burden — The discussion identifies U.S. interest payments as approaching 5% of GDP. It says the economy would need to grow at 5% merely to pay down debt, compared with the United Kingdom's historical debt problem, when interest payments were around 4% to 5% of GDP.

“So I'm not sure if you were exactly that stage but at that time it was around four to 5% of GDP as well in terms of interest payments.”—

MARKETS

Mining Valuation Gap — Costa says bank price targets for gold companies generally assume gold prices will be lower rather than higher 10 to 15 years from now. Investors who reject that assumption and expect a steep upward curve in future gold prices should consider mining companies.

“If you look at most of those price targets that you have for all the banks that you can think of that come up with coverage for gold companies, they…”—

Treasury Yield Reversal — Costa highlights a reversal in the two-year Treasury yield from 4.35% to 4.15%. He says the dollar had signaled the reversal beforehand.

“I mean, it's it's a big reversal. I think we just we just went from, you know, 435 to 415. I'm just looking at the chart now…”—

Official Metals Demand — Costa says gold supply could become constrained if major central banks continue buying. He also says silver could be considered an alternative reserve asset to Treasuries and other debt issued by heavily indebted countries.

“you know the supply aspect is scary particularly in metals like gold, silver and copper people don't think about oh gold is not used for anything blah but I mean…”—

FORECASTS

Gold Revaluation Paths — Costa identifies accumulating more gold or substantially revaluing gold as possible responses to the low share of U.S. debt backed by gold. He says either scenario would result in higher gold prices.

“So the only ways to change this is you either accumulate more gold or you revalue gold.”—

Gold Silver Targets — Costa views the recent decline in gold and silver as consolidation after a large advance. In his opinion, if an asset has traded around 5,500 or 120, it will probably trade at that level again within the next three to five years.

“Yeah, look, I think we saw a real disconnect from I don't want to say gold and silver were ahead of themselves, but there was a short-term disconnect there, right?…”—

Introduction

Anthony Fatsiz introduces WTFinance and welcomes Tavi Costa back to discuss markets, monetary policy, metals, and long-term investment opportunities.

Overview of markets and economy?

Costa says markets are pricing fewer rate hikes, potentially creating a major tailwind for metals while a weakening U.S. dollar becomes increasingly important.

FED relevance

Costa argues the Federal Reserve is becoming less relevant as policymakers may cut rates despite inflation and labor conditions, benefiting hard assets.

Dollar Debasement

Rising U.S. interest payments and debt burdens could force currency devaluation, rate suppression, gold accumulation, or a substantial revaluation of gold.

Bond Market buying gold

Costa believes Treasury-market participants anticipate intervention and notes that falling two-year yields and a weakening dollar are signaling a meaningful policy reversal.

US buying gold?

He attributes gold and silver’s consolidation to a short-term disconnect after a major run, while maintaining that higher prices remain likely over several years.

Miners undervalued

Costa sees a real possibility that the Federal Reserve is secretly acquiring gold and says central-bank purchases would likely be disclosed only afterward.

Where is Tavi watching?

He argues constrained supplies of gold, silver, and copper could amplify demand, especially if central banks seek alternatives to debt issued by heavily indebted countries.

One message to takeaway?

Costa focuses on undervalued mining, energy, and Latin American opportunities, seeking value investments with growth potential over a five- to ten-year horizon.

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