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Austan Goolsbee Is Worried the Economy Is Overheating

Austan Goolsbee assesses whether AI-driven investment and localized data-center constraints could develop into broader economic overheating, while cautioning that six months of weak productivity growth do not establish a lasting regime change. He discusses a possible long-run mix of 3% nominal rates, 2% inflation, and a 1% real rate, alongside the competing effects of productivity gains, excessive investment, tariffs, oil prices, and services inflation. The discussion also examines cautious rate cuts, the Fed’s communication limits, and the range of factors behind rising Treasury yields, including inflation expectations, higher-for-longer policy, and increased issuance.

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Goolsbee says AI could raise the long-run neutral interest rate through genuinely higher productivity, but six months of weak productivity growth do not yet establish a permanent shift. He also cautions that technology could push rates lower through productivity or higher through excessive investment and overheating, while data-center bottlenecks remain localized unless they spread into broader wage and price pressures.

Goolsbee loosely identifies a possible long-run landing point of 3% nominal rates, 2% inflation, and a 1% real rate, while emphasizing that recent inflation data make current policy restrictiveness difficult to assess. He says higher long-term Treasury yields could instead reflect inflation expectations, higher-for-longer rate expectations, increased issuance, or some combination—not necessarily a broad loss of confidence in U.S. creditworthiness.

Goolsbee estimates that supply factors accounted for roughly two-thirds of the inflation episode and demand for roughly one-third, arguing that central banks must be prepared for shocks that raise inflation and unemployment simultaneously. He identifies tariffs and a one-time oil-price shock as potentially temporary contributors, while treating services inflation as more concerning because neither shock directly explains it.

Tariffs and war-related uncertainty have contributed to an unusual labor-market combination of low hiring and low firing, according to Goolsbee. That uncertainty sits alongside his broader warning that supply shocks can worsen both inflation and unemployment, complicating the usual demand-management response.

Goolsbee views inflation compensation near 2.3% CPI even when CPI approached 10% as evidence that the Fed’s 2% PCE target remained a credible anchor. He credits the Fed’s recognition that part of the inflation surge was not permanent with enabling disinflation without the extreme rate increases and recession that a purely historical response might have produced.

TECHNOLOGY

AI Productivity — Goolsbee says higher productivity growth driven by AI could raise the long-run neutral interest rate. But six consecutive months of weak productivity growth do not yet demonstrate a permanent shift in the productivity regime.

“I think it increases it because faster growth, you gotta have a higher steady state interest rate…”—

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ECONOMY

Long-Run Rates — Goolsbee loosely identifies a possible long-run landing point of 3% nominal rates, 2% inflation, and a 1% real rate. He says the real rate is lower when inflation is above 3%, while recent inflation data make policy restrictiveness difficult to judge.

“In the long run, where do we think it's gonna end up? I loosely think 3% rates with 2% inflation and 1% real is kind of a eventual landing spot.”—

Technology And Rates — Goolsbee says technology could push interest rates in opposite directions. An unexpected productivity increase could lower rates, while excessive hype and investment could overheat the economy and require higher rates.

“Is this expected or is it unexpected?…”—

Services Inflation — Goolsbee says tariffs and a one-time oil-price shock may explain part of the inflation increase and could fade. Services inflation is more concerning because neither shock directly caused it.

“Some component of the increase in inflation is from those 2 parts, tariffs and 1 time increase in price of oil, which hopefully should go away as inflation…”—

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MARKETS

Rising Treasury Yields — Goolsbee says rising long-term Treasury yields could reflect higher inflation expectations, expectations of higher-for-longer Fed rates, increased Treasury issuance, or some combination of these factors.

“Long yields going up. Could be people are expecting inflation. Could be people think that the Fed is gonna have to be on a path that rates will be higher…”—

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Fed Rates And Inflation

Goolsbee says policy restrictiveness depends on the underlying inflation rate and sketches a possible long-run mix of 3% nominal rates, 2% inflation, and a 1% real rate.

AI And The Neutral Rate

Goolsbee argues that faster productivity growth could raise the neutral interest rate, while excessive optimism about AI could instead overheat the economy in the short run.

Tariffs Oil And Services

Tariffs and oil prices may explain part of the inflation increase, but persistent services inflation is a deeper concern that could require more cautious policy.

AI Data Center Pressures

Goolsbee distinguishes localized competition for land, labor, and contractors from economy-wide overheating, while noting data centers are creating visible pressures across the Midwest.

Investment Versus Consumption

The Fed’s rate tool treats different sources of demand similarly in the short run, although productive investment could raise potential output and interest rates over time.

Post-COVID Disinflation

Goolsbee attributes much of the inflation rise and subsequent decline to supply forces, while crediting the Fed’s tightening with preserving inflation expectations and preventing de-anchoring.

Treasury Yield Drivers

Goolsbee says higher long-term yields may reflect inflation expectations, higher-for-longer policy, and increased Treasury issuance rather than a broad loss of confidence in U.S. credit.

Fed Communication Tools

The discussion considers whether forward guidance, press conferences, and dot plots remain useful now that the Fed is no longer constrained by the zero lower bound.

Reaction Function Clarity

Goolsbee favors explaining the Fed’s economic framework without precommitting to specific rate moves, emphasizing inflation persistence and the limits of dot-plot predictions.

Dissents And Jackson Hole

Goolsbee explains silent dissents, describes the changed atmosphere under new Fed leadership, and says he will watch for clues about inflation persistence in the chairman’s speech.

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