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A "Big Surprise" Coming the Fed's Way? | With David Rosenberg

Rosenberg sees underlying disinflationary forces, including productivity growth and falling rents, even as energy and food pressures raise concerns about inflation. He argues that the Fed risks tightening into a supply shock and points to a concentrated AI-led investment boom, weak market breadth, and rising Treasury yields. He favors Treasuries for their yields and risk profile, while seeing potential for a bond rally if markets conclude rate hikes will be limited.

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Rosenberg says productivity is generating 90% of economic growth, but attributes current productivity gains to pandemic-era digitization rather than AI; he says it is too early to see AI benefits in the data. At the same time, investment growth is concentrated in AI, with AI capital expenditures up 16% and data-center construction up 60% year over year, while non-tech capital expenditures were negative.

Rosenberg argues that underlying disinflation remains strong: his firm's analysis found headline and core inflation would be below 2% without recurring shocks, and he says productivity undermines the case for supply-driven inflation. He also says tariffs and current diesel and food pressures have not fed into wages, with core goods inflation at 0.7%.

Rosenberg points to rents that are deflating, new-home prices down about 8% year over year, and heavy builder discounting as signs of shelter disinflation that has not yet flowed through official statistics. Because shelter carries substantial weight in the PCE deflator and even more in the CPI, he expects that disinflation to outweigh the more statistical inflationary impulse from the energy shock.

Rosenberg warns that the bond market is pricing roughly three rate hikes that the Fed is not calling for, and argues that tightening in response to a supply shock has a poor historical record. He says the yield curve's prior recession signal was temporarily obscured by fiscal stimulus and sees a risk of a Fed policy mistake, while stressing that the outcome remains uncertain.

TECHNOLOGY

Productivity Before AI — Rosenberg says productivity growth is running above 2% in an economy growing at roughly 2.5%. He attributes current gains to pandemic-era digitization, not AI, and says it is too early to see AI's productivity benefits in the data.

“2 and a half% economy. Productivity is growing in excess of 2% which is pretty good. And that's really left over from COVID…”—

ECONOMY

Tariff Pass-Through — Rosenberg argues that supply shocks, including tariffs and current diesel and food pressures, have not produced a wage response, and he does not expect the current shock to do so. Core goods inflation is running at 0.7%; he says tariff inflation had no lasting impact because it did not seep into wages.

“So, it's funny that the same people that were talking about big tariff inflation, big tariff inflation, big tariff inflation, are now talking about big big diesel inflation and big…”—

Supply-Shock Tightening — Rosenberg argues that tightening policy in response to a supply shock has a poor historical record and does not expect this episode to be different. With front-end yields attractive and longer yields sharply higher, he says investors may prefer three-month or one-year bills to taking on duration risk.

“I think that, you know, my thinking is that when you look at the history, bad tightening into a supply shock does not have a very successful record and neither…”—

Shelter Disinflation — Rosenberg identifies shelter disinflation as an important inflation signal. Shelter carries substantial weight in the PCE deflator and even more in the CPI.

“Of course he never talks about shelter disinflation which is so much more important…”—

MARKETS

Treasury Risk Premium — Rosenberg says the 10-year note yield has risen almost 100 basis points from roughly 4.3%–4.4% since mid-June, while bond-market inflation expectations have stayed around 2.3%. He attributes the move mainly to real rates and a risk premium tied to the shift in Fed policy.

“I think a lot of this confusion is coming from the communications that are coming out of the Fed…”—

Treasury Coupon Cushion — Rosenberg says the 10-year Treasury's coupon provides a cushion: yields would need to reach 6% for an investor to make no money over the next year. He says he likes those odds, citing the pressure higher interest rates put on the economy and corporate sector.

“Let me just tell you something about the 10-year note. Why I like it. We have to get to 6% now. you have so much of a coupon cushion…”—

Weak Market Breadth — Rosenberg says the average and median stock are almost 15% below their peaks, while the top 20 S&P 500 stocks account for half the index. He argues that major averages mask weakness beneath the surface.

“I read it every day for the past like 35 years…”—

FORECASTS

Tech Catch-Down — Rosenberg says non-AI and non-tech market segments are already hurting and are sensitive to rates and fuel. He expects technology to catch down toward those weaker areas, while noting the non-tech portion is already down about 15%.

“And I think the Fed is leading us into a classic policy mistake…”—

Treasury Rally Potential — Rosenberg says 30-year bonds or Treasury strips could retrace at least half their decline, or rally about 50 basis points, if the market concludes rates cannot be hiked as much as expected. He is unsure they will return to the February lows.

“well, I'm not I'm not sure we'll get back to the February lows, but I think we can retrace at least half.”—

– Cold Open: "Are Bonds a Buy Here?"

– A New Book, a New ETF, and Life at 65

– Why He Still Gets Up at 4:15 Every Morning

– What's Really Driving the Spike in Bond Volatility

– "A Tremendous Amount of Confusion": Critiquing the Fed's Communication

– Why Inflation Expectations Haven't Actually Moved

– What Households Know About Wages That the Fed Doesn't

– A Fed Chair Who Talked About AI Eight Times — and Housing Once

– Productivity: "Kryptonite" for the Big Inflation Story

– Wages Are Decelerating to a Four-Year Low

– Why This Diesel Shock Isn't Like the 1970s

– The Volcker Lesson: Inflation Rate vs. Price Level

– Four Shocks in Six Years — and Sub-2% Inflation Without Them

– The Real Elephant in the Room: Shelter and Housing Disinflation

– A Deflationary Tax With No Union Protection and No Fiscal Rescue

– The Breadth Problem: Why the "Average Stock" Tells a Different Story

– Inside the "Rosie" Portfolio: 50% Stocks, No Tech, No Mag Seven

– Why He Calls 60/40 Investing "Blind"

– A 2018 Flashback: When Hawkish Fed Talk Didn't Last

– The Midterms Case for Lower Yields Ahead

– Closing Take: Mid-Cap Consumer Staples and What's Next

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