PodcastThe Real Investment ShowLance Roberts

6-16-26 SpaceX Mania: What Happens After the Hype?

Speakers recommend tilting portfolios toward companies they expect to drive the next U.S. industrialization—space, photonics, quantum and AI—and name SpaceX and Anthropic as additions. On the macro side a falling pressure index and negative real wages point to an under-the-surface slowdown, while a 4.2% inflation print is driven partly by oil and partly by structural AI-related capex, prompting expected Fed caution. Markets have cleared a 20-day technical breakout and seasonality supports July, but narrow breadth, stretched semiconductor valuations and the SpaceX IPO plus its roughly $60 billion acquisition raise concentration and execution risks. Bonds are presented as income and ballast, with yields seen settling near ~4%, and investors are urged to avoid headline-driven FOMO and stick to disciplined processes.

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Key Takeaways

Speakers plan a deliberate portfolio tilt toward companies they expect to drive the next U.S. industrialization—naming SpaceX and Anthropic—and advise focusing on sectors like space, photonics, quantum computing and AI as multi-year growth leaders.

Their proprietary economic pressure index is falling sharply and real wages are negative, indicating an under-the-surface slowdown that raises downside risk to consumption and corporate revenues if the trend continues.

The recent 4.2% inflation print is largely an oil-driven anomaly (crude fell from near $100 to about $78 with scope to drift toward the low $70s–high $60s), while heavy AI-related capex is a more structural inflation contributor—together making the new Fed chair likely to be cautious and data-dependent rather than move immediately.

Technicals show a constructive setup—market cleared and held the 20‑day moving average and a momentum signal is turning up—with seasonality favoring July (historical average ~+1.25%), but money is narrowly rotating into AI and semiconductors and breadth remains weak, so upside is timing-sensitive.

TECHNOLOGY

Add SpaceX, Anthropic — Speakers plan to add SpaceX and Anthropic to portfolios because they see those firms as central to where the economy and markets are headed over the next several years. This reflects a deliberate tilt toward companies driving the next wave of industrialization.

“Yes, at some point we will probably put P SpaceX into our portfolios along with Anthropic and others because those are going to be kind of where the economy and…”—

ECONOMY

Pressure Index — Their economic pressure index is falling sharply, signaling an underlying slowdown not yet visible in headline data. If the trend continues it creates downside risk to consumption and corporate revenues.

“If you take a look at economic pressure index, yeah, that's falling pretty sharply…”—

Real Wages — Real wages are currently negative and are not keeping pace with inflation, meaning households have less real purchasing power. That reduction in real income amplifies downside risk to consumer-driven growth.

“Real wages are falling. So when you take a look at real wages, those are negative now. So real wages aren't keeping up with the pace of inflation right now.”—

Oil Inflation — The recent 4.2% inflation print is largely an oil-driven anomaly. Crude fell from near $100 to about $78 and reopening shipping channels should add supply. If oil drifts back to the low $70s–high $60s, much of the recent inflation impulse would likely reverse.

“In fact, this was last weekend's bull bear report. that 4.2% inflation print, you know, that's a that's an anomaly caused by oil.”—

MARKETS

20-Day Breakout — The market cleared and held above the 20-day moving average, which historically opens a path toward all-time highs after a correction. The prior drop to the 50-day has mostly reversed, supporting renewed upside if the breakout holds.

“As we noted yesterday, we said that the market was going to open above the 20-day moving average, and it was important that the market held above that yesterday.”—

Momentum Signal — A momentum sell signal is beginning to flip upward; if it converts into a buy it could add additional room to run. Seasonality also favors July, which historically averages about +1.25%, while August and September tend to be weaker.

“So again, if we trigger this back into a buy signal that could give the markets a little bit more room to run and during this month, and remember that…”—

SpaceX Acquisition — Shortly after going public SpaceX announced a roughly $60 billion acquisition, triggering a large, rapid re-rating and increasing near-term IPO volatility. That headline event intensified trading and investor attention around the new public valuation.

“SpaceX this morning announcing that they're going to buy any sphere for $60 billion. It's their first acquisition since going public last on last Friday…”—

FORECASTS

4% Yields — Speakers expect yields to normalize toward roughly 4% over the next couple of months as oil-driven inflation eases. Given current 10-year yields around the mid-4% area, they view it as a favorable time for bond buyers to lock in income.

“Yields are going to move back towards 4%ish probably over the next couple of months because inflation is going to come down with oil prices.”—

INTRO

Hosts open with a light teaser and set the episode's themes: markets, SpaceX mania, and the need for disciplined investing versus headline-driven FOMO.

America's 250th Anniversary Time Capsule & Space-X IPO

They discuss America's 250th time capsule plans and flag SpaceX's post-IPO $60 billion AnySphere acquisition as a major market headline.

The Bullish Setup Returns

Technical market setup: clearing the 20-day moving average signals momentum and seasonality tilts toward July, though confirmation is still required.

Back from Vacay...

John returns from vacation with casual banter and sets a relaxed tone before diving into market topics and listener questions.

IPO's & Space-X

They break down SpaceX's business units—Starlink, launches, and XAI—emphasizing Starlink as the current revenue source and valuation risks.

What Happens Next - the Advantage in Waiting

Advantage of waiting: recommend buying post-IPO after lockups and price history (3–6 months) to reduce execution and timing risk.

The FOMO Factor

Warn against FOMO: media excitement, leveraged ETFs, and options amplify speculative risk around newly public names like SpaceX.

What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

Catalog potential failures that could trigger drawdowns—insider selling at lockup expiry, poor earnings, or a launch mishap—and stress patience.

Has AI Lost Steam? (The New U.S.Industrial Revolution)

Argue AI hasn't faded but migrated into semiconductor demand; identify space, photonics, quantum, and AI as the next U.S. industrialization drivers.

What's Next After Iran War? (Economic Pressure Index)

Use the economic pressure index and falling real wages to show a hidden slowdown, partly caused by elevated oil squeezing consumer spending.

Two Things Driving Markets: Profitability & Optimistic Earnings Estimates

Markets are currently driven by record profitability and optimistic earnings estimates, leaving them vulnerable if consumption and growth fade.

Italian Gasoline Prices

Light anecdote comparing Italian gasoline prices to U.S. pump pain, underscoring how higher fuel costs reduce discretionary consumer spending.

Interest Rates, Bonds, & Kevin Warsh at the Fed

Expect Kevin Warsh to be cautious at his first Fed meeting; caution that raising rates on an oil-driven inflation spike would be premature.

A Tip about TIPS

Express skepticism of TIPS for current conditions, arguing nominal Treasuries offer better returns and TIPS function as long-duration inflation bets.

Why You Should Own Some Bonds

Make the case for owning bonds for income and ballast now, with yields likely to settle near ~4% as oil-driven inflation cools.

The Three Components of Investing: Safety, Liquidity, & Returns

Emphasize the investment tradeoff: any asset can only deliver two of safety, liquidity, and return, so portfolios must deliberately combine all three.

Annuities as Bond "Alternatives?"

Explain annuities are not true bond alternatives: they differ in liquidity, beneficiary treatment, and purpose despite sometimes being used similarly.

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