PodcastAdam Taggart | Thoughtful Money®Wolf Richter

When A.I. Spending Starts Slowing, Start Worrying About Recession | Wolf Richter

Richter argues that AI investment is supporting nominal growth and a broad range of industries, but its revenue model remains uncertain and the spending may not continue at its current pace. He says a slowdown in AI investment—especially alongside a major stock-market sell-off—could raise recession risks, though he does not see a recession on the horizon now. He also discusses federal debt, uneven growth, consumer credit and inflation, while noting that housing affordability could improve gradually without a crash.

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Richter describes an AI buildout that is putting trillions of dollars into the economy and driving higher orders for domestic power generators and electrical equipment, with benefits for manufacturing, construction, and infrastructure companies. But he says that activity will not continue at the same level once the buildout slows, and argues that the revenue model remains uncertain because consumers already spend 96%–97% of their income and cannot suddenly add $3 trillion in annual spending.

Richter says AI investment and annual government deficits of a couple of trillion dollars are helping support spending, while faster nominal growth can help limit the debt-to-GDP ratio on roughly $40 trillion in federal debt. He says Q2 nominal GDP growth of 8.5% outpaced debt growth of about 8% or slightly less, and warns that a decline in AI investment could weaken nominal growth; he does not see a recession on the horizon now.

Richter says AI-related companies account for almost half of S&P market value, making a downturn less contained than the dot-com bust in his view. He warns that a major sell-off combined with slowing AI spending could contribute to recession, while describing a possible scenario in which stocks fall 15%–20% and then another 20%—a risk scenario, not a certainty.

Richter distinguishes $7 trillion in credit-card purchases during 2025 from roughly $1.3 trillion in outstanding statement balances, saying most purchases are paid off rather than becoming interest-bearing debt. He puts overall card delinquency at about 2.8%, below the 6.5% financial-crisis peak, and argues that higher-income borrowers carrying more debt—not low-income consumers—drive increases in delinquent balances.

GEO-POLITICS

Housing Politics — Richter says 65% of U.S. households own their homes and argues that homeowners generally feel affordability pressures less acutely than renters and prospective buyers. He suggests the large homeowner share may limit the issue's influence on voters.

“And that's a real issue. You know that people are pissed off about that young people. But you know homeowners are not pissed off about that…”—

TECHNOLOGY

AI Compensation — Richter describes substantial capital flowing into AI centers and says employees at startups and major companies are receiving extraordinary cash payments, salaries, and stock compensation. The passage does not quantify the compensation.

“Okay…”—

AI Buildout — The host says AI infrastructure spending may eventually diminish once data centers are built, though not soon. Richter says the buildout has sharply increased durable-goods orders for domestic power generators and electrical equipment, benefiting manufacturing, construction, and infrastructure companies. He says that activity will not continue at the same level once the boom stops.

“And at some point the infrastructure spending is just going to start diminishing…”—

ECONOMY

Spending Sources — Richter estimates the AI spending boom is putting about $1 trillion of corporate and investor money into the economy, with some funding raised overseas. He also points to annual government deficits of a couple of trillion dollars as another source of spending.

“Then we've got government deficits of a couple of trillion dollars a year and that's getting spent”—

Debt And Growth — Richter identifies roughly $40 trillion in federal debt as a major problem. He says higher nominal growth and inflation of 3%–5%, rather than 2%, could help address it, presenting this as the White House's chosen approach, with the Fed going along. Q2 nominal GDP growth of 8.5% outpaced debt growth of about 8% or slightly less, he says. Faster nominal GDP growth can lower the debt-to-GDP ratio, while tax revenues tend to grow roughly in parallel with GDP.

“And then that's the overwhelming problem this country has is this $40 trillion in debt that's hanging over us from the federal government…”—

Growth And Recession — Richter says a recession would compound ordinary economic pressures with debt-related problems if nominal growth fell, helping explain why policymakers want to keep the economy running hot. He explicitly says he does not see a recession on the horizon now. A decline in AI-related investment would be a warning sign because that spending supports nominal growth.

“So, we have the normal recession problems and then we have the debt problems and all the other issues. So, they're trying to avoid a recession at all costs…”—

MARKETS

AI Market Weight — Richter says AI-related companies make up almost half of S&P market value, making a downturn less contained than the dot-com bust in his view. He expects investors to notice a reversal in their portfolios, though its effect on jobs in Tulsa may be less noticeable.

“Well, so if you live in Tulsa, maybe you won't notice. Do you think so this time?…”—

FORECASTS

Housing Adjustment — Richter says housing affordability could improve without a crash if home prices remain flat or trend downward while wages rise. He cautions that the adjustment could take a decade or two.

“You don't have to have a housing crash to do that…”—

Stock-Loss Scenario — Richter describes a bearish scenario in which stocks fall 15%–20% and then decline another 20%. Individual stocks could lose 80%–90% of their value or vanish, he says; these are warnings about a possible bust, not certainties.

“Yeah. And you know, when when the bus comes, you know, we don't know. Yeah. So, so stocks will go down 15 or 20%…”—

Wolf Richter Returns

Adam welcomes Wolf Richter back to discuss markets and the economy, after brief San Francisco and cold-water swimming banter.

Hot Economy And Markets

Richter describes an economy running hot, with strong nominal growth, high inflation, heavy spending, and AI-linked stocks lifting otherwise uneven markets.

Federal Debt And Inflation

Richter argues that faster nominal growth can increase tax revenue and make federal debt easier to manage, while warning that excessive inflation would undermine the strategy.

AI Spending And Recession Risk

Richter sees no recession on the near-term horizon but says slowing AI investment combined with a major stock sell-off could weaken corporate spending and trigger one.

San Francisco AI Boom

Richter describes how global investment and generous stock compensation are fueling spending and home prices in San Francisco, while noting that the boom’s longevity remains uncertain.

AI Revenue Uncertainty

Richter says the AI investment boom lacks a clear revenue model, as consumers and businesses may not pay enough to justify the spending and AI services face price competition.

AI Bubble Fallout

Richter expects any AI downturn to affect technology-heavy regions and infrastructure suppliers disproportionately, while its national impact depends on how broadly investment and employment contract.

Uneven Growth And Affordability

Richter challenges the K-shaped economy label, arguing that incomes are rising at different speeds and that employment and consumer spending remain stronger than pessimistic narratives suggest.

Credit Card Delinquencies

Richter cites credit-card spending and delinquency data to argue that most balances are paid off and current defaults remain relatively low by historical standards.

Auto Credit And Consumer Stress

Richter says foreclosure and auto-loan problems remain contained, with subprime lending a limited market segment, and identifies inflation rather than broad consumer weakness as the main concern.

Housing Affordability Crisis

Richter says housing and health-care costs are key affordability pressures, but home prices need not crash for wages to gradually restore housing affordability.

T-Bills, TIPS, And Bonds

Richter says he has moved away from stocks and is shifting from T-bills toward TIPS and Treasuries, while avoiding AI bonds and corporate debt with narrow spreads.

Gold And Silver Outlook

Richter views gold and silver as expensive and vulnerable for traders, while considering long-term ownership more suitable for investors willing to buy and hold.

Closing And Resources

Adam thanks Richter, directs viewers to his website, and closes with show housekeeping and information about the channel’s financial-advisor and conference resources.

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