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The Bond Market Is Pricing In Something Worse Than Inflation | Weekly Roundup

The discussion links bond-market moves and shifting rate-hike expectations to inflation, growth concerns, and tight financing conditions. Speakers highlight the economy's dependence on AI, warn that stress in the trade could affect firms and broader activity, and distinguish potential debt support from protection for equity holders. They also caution that bond positioning, liquidity constraints, and persistent energy costs leave markets vulnerable to further volatility.

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The speaker says Anthropic's Q3 ARR growth was below expectations and slowing, and warns that weakness could ripple through data centers, CoreWeave, semiconductors, and memory. They also argue that the economy is unusually reliant on AI for growth and on the AI trade's wealth effect, while tighter financing conditions could constrain hyperscaler and AI-company construction.

The speaker says October rate-hike odds fell from about 70% to around 30% after two hot inflation prints, attributing the shift to Fed officials' communication as well as dents in AI financing and market weakness. They argue that deficits of 5% or more may blunt the usual effect of rate hikes and do not expect many more hikes, if any, to produce what they expect in 2027.

Despite hot PPI and initial expectations for a more hawkish Fed, growth concerns and fears about the AI trade prompted a flight to bonds and lower yields; the speaker also cites relatively weak wage growth as supporting the long-end rally. They note that record bond shorts and a curve flattening left positioning vulnerable to a countertrend move, while cautioning that bonds have not always acted as a safe haven.

The speaker describes weakness beyond technology: the Russell had fallen for eight consecutive weeks, while regional banks, housing, and restaurants had been hit for two months. They connect the market's repeated Russell-Nasdaq rotations and lack of broad rallies to liquidity constraints since 2022, while noting that pod shops may exacerbate the moves.

The guest says many Bitcoin miners that pivoted to AI have previously restructured, and characterizes restructuring as typical of the business model. Because these capital-intensive companies may need debt, shareholder dilution, or both to complete projects, the guest cautions that potentially money-good debt from backstopped firms such as CoreWeave or Core Scientific does not make their equity attractive.

GEO-POLITICS

Oil And Iran — The speaker expects the oil-and-Iran situation to re-escalate and identifies the two weeks before the midterm as a period when market manipulation could be especially intense. They say investors should be prepared for increased volatility.

“there's absolutely going to be reescalation, but yeah, we're also in the like if there's a period of time for to manipulate the markets the hardest, it would be the…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Anthropic Growth — The speaker says Anthropic's Q3 ARR growth came in below expectations and its rate of change was slowing. They warn this could ripple through data centers, CoreWeave, semiconductors, and memory—areas they describe as central to current top-line economic growth.

“yeah. So we got some some Q3 down on the ARR there which just has huge trickle down effects, right?…”—

ECONOMY

Rate-Hike Odds — The speaker says October rate-hike odds were about 70% two to three weeks earlier, amid expectations of accelerating inflation and resilient labor and economic data. After two very hot inflation prints, odds fell to around 30%. The speaker attributes the shift to Fed officials talking the market away from a hike, alongside dents in AI financing and market weakness.

“which I think is a very important thing to be thinking about in the back of your mind which is two weeks ago two to three weeks ago the chance…”—

Fewer Fed Hikes — The speaker says they do not think many more Fed hikes, if any, are needed to bring about what they expect in 2027.

“I think it's riskier. Yeah…”—

Tighter Financing — The speaker argues that energy costs, particularly diesel, are weighing on the economy in ways the Fed's tools may not directly address. Long-term yields and mortgage rates add to the drag. Elevated Treasury yields and widening credit spreads are also tightening financing conditions, including for hyperscalers and AI-related companies; the effects could lag by one to four months as more expensive funding constrains building.

“And I think what's interesting about that tightening is that it like to your point, the tools that the Fed have at their disposal and their remit are just so…”—

MARKETS

Crowded Bond Shorts — Bond shorts had reached record levels after more than two months of gains from shorting bonds, leaving positioning stretched and vulnerable to a countertrend move. The long end stopped rising first, the curve flattened substantially, and the front end then joined the reprieve.

“So coming in, you've had, you know, weeks of record bond shorts all across the market…”—

Hot PPI Rally — The speaker says the market was poorly positioned for hot inflation data and expected another month of acceleration, with oil near the upper bounds of its range. The initial inflation reaction lifted expectations for a more hawkish Fed, but growth concerns and fears about the AI trade prompted a flight to safety into bonds, pushing yields lower despite hot PPI. The speaker also links the long-end rally to relatively weak wage growth.

“that set the stage, you know, the positioning…”—

2022 Reversal Echo — The speaker compares the recent bond rally off its lows with the stock-market rally after the hot CPI print in October 2022, describing a similarly confusing reversal.

“And he was saying that this recent bond rally off lows feels like when stocks were in max sphere and ripped off the hot CPI print in October 2022.”—

FORECASTS

Long-End Yield Limits — The speaker says further declines in long-term yields would require a structural change or an outright equity crash. A substantial slowdown would also need to appear in the data for another rally, and that could take a long time.

“I feel like the long ends at a pretty good value here…”—

AI Trade And Yields — The speaker argues that a crack in the AI trade could constrain AI firms' access to capital and reduce expected private AI-related debt issuance, easing yields. They say this could help other parts of the economy that high financing costs have crowded out.

“So when when that AI trade starts to crack their access to capital is you know is inhibited and therefore at the same time the forward supply expectations of how…”—

Persistent Inflation — The speaker expects oil prices not to come down for quite some time and says natural gas and other commodities signal that inflation could persist. They question whether a policy pivot or a change in underlying conditions would be enough to revive the Russell trade.

“I think it's riskier. Yeah…”—

Intro

The hosts open with a brief exchange about post-summer energy, market activity, and their upcoming London conference before turning to the week’s market moves.

Why Are Bonds Ignoring Hot Inflation?

Despite hot CPI and PPI readings, bond yields rallied as crowded short positioning unwound and investors weighed growth risks alongside inflation.

Has The Fed Ruled Out October?

The speakers discuss how Fed officials’ comments kept an October hike from becoming the base case, even after another round of unexpectedly hot inflation data.

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Cracks In The AI Growth Engine

The hosts argue that economic growth is unusually dependent on AI investment, while slowing AI revenue expectations could weaken financing and related industries.

Is A Growth Slowdown Already Coming?

They expect restrictive financial conditions and persistent energy costs to weigh on growth over time, even if the Fed does not deliver many additional hikes.

The Market’s Warning Shot

Widening credit spreads and expensive financing are presented as an early warning of pressure ahead, while the speakers caution that a short-term market bounce would not resolve underlying problems.

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Who Gets Saved In AI Bailouts?

The speakers distinguish potential support for AI firms’ debt from protection for equity holders, noting that rescues can still leave shareholders diluted or impaired.

Where Can Investors Find Shelter?

They consider possible defensive investments, including scarce-resource and debasement-related exposures, but emphasize that a broad correlation shock could undermine apparent havens.

Do Rate Hikes Still Work?

The speakers debate how rate hikes affect an indebted, deficit-heavy economy and whether other financial pressures may matter more than the Fed’s policy rate.

Can Bonds Really Offer Safety?

They warn that bond rallies are not guaranteed to provide lasting safety, since correlations and positioning can reverse quickly in a liquidity-constrained market.

Iran Escalation And The Midterms

The conversation closes with concerns about possible Iran escalation, energy news, and market volatility ahead of the midterms, while questioning how political messaging may affect sentiment.

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