PodcastProf G MarketsPaul Kedrosky

CoreWeave Is Imploding — And Taking AI Stocks Down With It

The discussion highlights pressure on households from energy-led inflation, declining real wages, and an economy Mark Zandi describes as fragile, while he questions whether rate hikes can address war-driven price increases. In markets, CoreWeave’s rising debt burden and falling stock price raise concerns about refinancing and broader neocloud exposure, including a potential refinancing wall from 2028 to 2032. Kadroski also points to private-market AI valuations, customer concentration, and the possibility that coding-driven adoption is nearing its end.

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The host describes two separate concerns about investigations involving the Trump administration: Bloomberg reported that CFTC investigators were ordered to retract an analysis of suspicious oil trades ahead of Trump’s Iran announcement, while the host says SEC and DOJ investigations involving the Trump family and administration were curtailed. The CFTC passage does not establish that insider trading occurred.

September inflation reached 3.7% year over year, driven largely by energy, with gas prices up 34% over the year; Mark Zandi says the Iran war is adding to inflation as higher energy and fuel costs pass through the economy. Zandi estimates the war has added a conservative $2,000 in direct costs per household, including energy, higher interest rates, and military costs.

Mark Zandi describes a fragile economy in which stock-owning households are supporting spending amid sharply higher AI-related stock wealth, while many others face declining purchasing power: real hourly earnings were down 0.7% year over year, and roughly two-thirds of Americans own little stock. He also points to weak hiring and house prices that have gone nowhere for three to four years.

Mark Zandi questions whether higher rates can address inflation stemming from the Iran war and says he would give more weight to labor-market conditions, while describing a prevailing committee view that the Fed will keep raising rates if inflation remains a problem. Markets, he says, were pricing close to a 50/50 chance of an October increase, an increase by December if October passed without one, and two or three more hikes the following year.

GEO-POLITICS

Oil Trade Probe — The host reports that Bloomberg said CFTC investigators were ordered to retract an analysis of potential insider trading after billions of dollars in oil trades preceded Trump’s announcement that he would pull back on missile strikes on Iran. The host calls the trades suspicious but says the passage does not establish that insider trading occurred.

“According to a new report from Bloomberg, investigators at the CFTC were ordered to retract their analysis of potential insider trading that was related to the president…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Coding Adoption — The speaker’s hunch, based partly on recent data, is that the coding-driven frenzy behind initial adoption is nearing its end. Further adoption would need to come from other marketplaces that look different from coding, but he presents this as a hunch, not a confirmed forecast.

“And I want to see so I want to see the customer concentration because if that's so that's unprecedented and in particular I want to see what's happening with respect…”—

ECONOMY

September Inflation — September prices rose 3.7% year over year, the highest rate since May, with most of the increase coming from energy. Gas prices rose 9.1% for the month and 34% over the year; core prices rose 0.3% month over month, hotter than expected.

“Prices rose 3.7% in September from a year earlier, the highest rate since May. The bulk of the increase in prices came from energy. Gas prices rose 9…”—

Real Wage Decline — Inflation-adjusted average hourly earnings fell 0.7% year over year after six consecutive monthly declines, putting pressure on workers’ purchasing power.

“Meanwhile, September marked the sixth straight month of declines in Americans real earnings. Average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation are down.7% from a year earlier.”—

Inflation Pressures — Mark Zandi argues that the Iran war is adding to inflation through higher energy and fuel costs that pass through the broader economy. He also says tariffs and immigration policy contribute to slower growth and higher inflation.

“Obviously, the higher energy fuel costs go directly to the war and there's a lot of pass through going on into the rest of the economy and adding to the…”—

MARKETS

CoreWeave Debt — CoreWeave’s 2032 bond yield touched a record 15%, and its stock fell 16% amid fears it could not repay its debt. The selloff also spread to other AI infrastructure companies. At the end of June, CoreWeave had about $52 billion in debt and lease obligations, up from roughly $15 billion a year earlier, and paid $640 million in interest last quarter, more than twice the year-earlier amount.

“On Tuesday, the yield on one of its bonds touched 15%, reaching a new record high.”—

Refinancing Pressure — Paul Kadroski argues that rising borrowing costs and widening credit spreads make CoreWeave’s refinancing and future fundraising harder, creating a debt spiral. Higher Treasury yields also make it more difficult for highly indebted neoclouds to raise money.

“As people look forward with the increasing cost of Corweav's debt as the spreads blow out, they look forward and say, "Wait a minute, that has implications for the refinancing…”—

Token Price Pressure — The speaker says token prices have fallen roughly 13-fold annually for four years. Neoclouds must roughly double token sales every 90 days just to keep pace with falling prices, making debt service harder.

“So, Epic had a report out, I think it was earlier in the week, pointing out that we've had for the last four years, roughly a 13fold annual decrease in…”—

Intro

Edson opens the show, previews inflation and chip-market pressures, reviews market moves, and asks listeners to vote for Prof G Markets in the Signal Awards.

Market Vitals

The market update notes rising Treasury yields, Bank of America’s earnings-related penalty, and Bending Spoons’ stock jump after Berkshire Hathaway disclosed a stake.

CoreWeave's Emergency (ft. Paul Kedrosky)

Paul Kedrosky argues that CoreWeave’s debt load, rising borrowing costs, and collapsing token prices create a refinancing trap for neoclouds, with a broad AI infrastructure correction and a 2028–2032 refinancing wall posing wider risks.

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September Inflation (ft. Mark Zandi)

Mark Zandi says energy-led inflation is eroding real wages and adding household costs, while stock ownership sustains consumer spending unevenly; he calls the economy fragile and doubts rate hikes can fix war-driven price increases.

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CFTC

Edson alleges that CFTC investigators were ordered to stop examining suspicious oil trades tied to a presidential announcement, and describes similar halted investigations at the SEC and DOJ as evidence of a broader pattern.

Credits

Edson closes the episode, thanks viewers, and directs them to subscribe and return for the next day's conversation.

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