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China Added Gold 22 Months Straight, the Dark Logic Behind It | Cory Klippsten

Cory Klippsten contrasts gold’s physical constraints with Bitcoin’s portability and censorship resistance, while arguing that governments and other institutions are turning toward hard assets. He discusses China’s gold accumulation, bond-market pressures, Bitcoin-related investment choices, and the risks of centralized custody and securities. His long-term outlook includes rising Bitcoin purchasing power and a possible shift toward Bitcoin as the West’s primary store of value, though he frames that transition as uncertain.

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Cory Klippsten contrasts gold’s physical visibility and historically centralized storage with Bitcoin’s ability to cross borders via a passphrase, and argues that government ownership—alongside Washington’s roughly 325,000 seized Bitcoin—could make Bitcoin more palatable to governments. He says the risk of a crackdown that makes self-custody illegal has declined but could rise again, and that such a move would push Bitcoin into black markets and other jurisdictions rather than eliminate it.

Klippsten distinguishes Bitcoin from non-Bitcoin cryptocurrencies, which he says depend on companies, human-managed road maps, and infrastructure such as AWS and may need Washington’s permission. He describes Bitcoin’s proof of work as miners expending electricity to compete for block rewards every 10 minutes.

China reported 2,387 tons of gold reserves in August after adding about 20 tons, and it is expanding gold access through an insurer pilot, ETFs, and Shanghai–Hong Kong settlement pathways. Klippsten frames gold, land, and Bitcoin as hard-asset examples amid debt-backed fiat currencies, while saying his research found insufficient evidence that China was creating a new kind of gold standard.

Klippsten attributes upward pressure on bond yields and falling bond prices to several factors, including Japan, where government bond yields above 3% are encouraging domestic investors to keep capital at home and raising the cost of capital elsewhere. Against that backdrop, the host reported a weak quarter for bonds and a roughly 43% rise in Bitcoin, its best quarter since early 2024.

GEO-POLITICS

Gold And Bitcoin — Cory Klippsten says gold’s physical nature makes it visible to authorities at borders, and gold has historically been centralized in vaults. He says gold appears to be part of China’s strategy for managing its real-estate bubble, while Bitcoin can cross borders with a passphrase and be transferred globally beyond government censorship.

“So ultimately its physical nature is what causes its historical centralization in vaults and you know so it's just it's something that within the fence they're okay with people you…”—

Crackdown Risk — Cory Klippsten says the State Department is the only entity he sees as capable of coordinating a globally damaging government response against Bitcoiners. He estimates the chance of such a response in the low single digits.

“And in particular, the only entity that could ever coordinate something that would go really bad for Bitcoiners globally really just comes down to the State Department. Yeah…”—

TECHNOLOGY

Bitcoin Infrastructure — Cory Klippsten distinguishes Bitcoin from non-Bitcoin cryptocurrencies that he says are run by companies and depend on human-managed road maps and infrastructure such as AWS, leaving them vulnerable to shutdown. He argues these projects must seek permission from Washington, unlike Bitcoin.

“But that even got struck from the draft that they were voting on…”—

MARKETS

China’s Gold Buying — China reported 2,387 tons of official gold reserves in August after adding about 20 tons, extending its buying streak to 22 months. Gold accounted for about 9% of its reserves, up from 8% in July. Beijing admitted 10 large insurers to a gold pilot capped at 1% of their assets and is developing gold ETFs and settlement pathways between Shanghai and Hong Kong. Cory Klippsten says his research found insufficient evidence that China was creating a new kind of gold standard.

“And let's talk about what you put out this morning. I mean, we have a graphic. We'll show China reported 2,387 tons of gold in its official reserves in August…”—

Hard-Asset Demand — Cory Klippsten argues that governments, companies, and jurisdictions are turning to hard assets because government fiat currencies are debt-backed. He cites land, gold, and Bitcoin, describing land as a purer expression of the trade and Bitcoin as a much smaller one.

“All of the government fiat currencies are debt backed globally. There's nobody with hard moneybacked currency out there right now. And you know, I just think it's it's logical…”—

Bond Yields — Cory Klippsten attributes upward pressure on bond yields and falling bond prices to war with Iran, continued growth, heavy debt, and Japan. He says Japanese government bond yields above 3% are encouraging domestic investors to keep capital at home rather than invest abroad, raising the cost of capital elsewhere. He also says investors able to lock in yields above 5% for long maturities make capital for other uses more expensive.

“But yeah, the four horsemen are in my view the four that are pushing the rates up and making bonds fall in price are war obviously the war with Iran…”—

FORECASTS

Bitcoin Purchasing Power — Cory Klippsten argues that Bitcoin adoption will rise over the long run against a fixed supply of 21 million coins. He believes this will increase Bitcoin’s purchasing power over time.

“And so I think when you just look at an adoption curve that just over the long run always goes up against a fixed supply of only 21 million coins…”—

Treasury Stock Returns — Cory Klippsten expects Strategy and Strive could accumulate more Bitcoin per share over the next 10 years if they are run well. He also expects their Sharpe ratios to be lower than Bitcoin’s, meaning he believes they may offer more risk without corresponding additional reward.

“The only thing that's changed for me over the last year as I've gone a lot deeper on the companies and seen how hard it is to run these things…”—

China's Gold Buying Push

The host cites China's reported gold reserves, monthly additions, insurer pilot, and limits on leveraged retail trading before asking Cory why Beijing permits gold buying while restricting Bitcoin.

The Dark Logic of China's Gold

Cory argues that gold's physical form makes it visible and controllable at borders, whereas Bitcoin can cross borders through memorized or concealed keys, making gold a potential outlet for Chinese savers.

Why It's Not a New Gold Standard

Cory says China is expanding gold trading, ETFs, payments, and settlement links with Hong Kong, but he found insufficient evidence that Beijing is building a new gold standard.

Why Investors Are Turning to Hard Assets

Cory sees governments, companies, and investors buying hard assets to hedge debt-backed fiat currencies, naming land, gold, and Bitcoin as distinct options.

The "Bondpocalypse": Why Cheap Money Is Over

Cory attributes rising bond yields to war, continued economic growth, heavy public debt, and Japan's higher yields drawing capital home and raising borrowing costs elsewhere.

Why Bitcoin Is Rallying Anyway

Cory says Bitcoin's price-led narratives and long-term adoption help explain its rebound despite weak bonds, and argues that growing demand against a fixed 21-million supply supports higher purchasing power over time.

Bitcoin vs. Washington's Crypto Rules

Cory says Bitcoin does not need Washington's crypto legislation because it has no issuer or company to regulate, unlike many centralized crypto businesses now integrated with Wall Street and fintech.

How Investors Get Bitcoin Exposure

Cory describes investors choosing among Bitcoin ETFs, treasury-company shares, and self-custody, and outlines Swan's supported and collaborative custody options alongside ways to access on-chain Bitcoin.

Only Two Bitcoin Treasury Stocks Have a Chance

Cory identifies Strategy and Strive as the only U.S. firms operating as leveraged Bitcoin equities, while warning that their securities carry company-specific risks and may underperform Bitcoin itself.

Bitcoin and AI Payments: Hype vs. Reality

Cory rejects near-term claims that AI agents will meaningfully drive Bitcoin payments, but sees a longer-term case for Bitcoin as a store of value for productive economies and agent treasuries.

Bitcoin Mining and Proof of Work Explained

Cory explains that Bitcoin mining expends energy to search for valid hashes, with proof of work securing the network and miners competing for transaction fees and block rewards.

Bitcoin Custody and Exchange Risk

Cory says custody should match an individual's ability and comfort, and favors separating brokerage from custody to reduce exchange failure and centralized-platform risks.

Government Risk for Bitcoin

Cory calls government action Bitcoin's main non-existential risk, while arguing that government holdings, institutional access, and political acceptance make a severe crackdown less likely.

A Bitcoin Standard by 2070–2090?

Cory considers a Bitcoin standard a plausible long-term outcome for the West, perhaps by 2070–2090, but presents that timeline as uncertain and distinguishes his forecast from established facts.

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