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An Energy Shock and Rate Hikes Could Mean a 2022 Style Bear Market | Eric Wallerstein | Clocktower

Wallerstein argues that an energy shock, fiscal drag, tariffs, and tighter global liquidity could push the economy toward a 2022-style environment, even as he remains bullish on U.S. growth. He questions whether neutral rates have risen enough to justify further tightening and highlights risks to growth, labor markets, Europe, and Canada. Markets are also contending with shifting oil-driven rate expectations, yen weakness, and contrasting opportunities in the South Korean won, European defense, and Japanese equities. AI adds a separate range of uncertain outcomes, from investment overshoot to disinflation and job losses.

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Wallerstein argues that China’s resumed crude purchases and potential refined-product exports or stockpiling are important to the oil market, while Houthi involvement and uncertain Iranian negotiations have helped keep oil near $90. The energy shock is already visible to consumers, with gasoline prices cited near $7 per gallon.

The episode frames higher oil prices as a monetary-policy shock rather than simply a sign of stronger growth: oil near $105 pushed global front-end rates and the yield curve higher, while the probability of a rate hike rose from 33% to 66% after Chair Warsh’s speech, CPI, and higher oil. Wallerstein warns that a prolonged conflict could bring higher refined-product and food prices, tighter policy, and a technical recession in Europe.

Wallerstein sees the Federal Reserve as divided over whether the neutral rate has risen materially—from 3.1% to figures as high as 5.3%—with hawks potentially favoring three or four more hikes toward 4.5% and doves preferring to stop. He sees greater downside growth risk than the Fed because fiscal drag, a supply shock, and additional hikes could arrive together.

The labor-market and credit consequences of further tightening depend on whether policymakers have correctly estimated the short-run neutral rate. Wallerstein says a sharp labor-market deterioration after several hikes would indicate that neutral had not risen as much as believed, while strong commercial and industrial lending currently provides economic support.

Wallerstein describes a potential 2022-style macro environment in which fiscal drag, tariffs, structurally higher energy and food prices, and tighter global liquidity pressure both growth and markets. He therefore sees a garden-variety bear market increasingly approaching his base case, despite remaining bullish on U.S. growth, because energy shocks, elevated valuations, central-bank tightening, and fiscal drag could combine.

GEO-POLITICS

Iran Obstacles — China’s resumed oil imports and Houthi involvement have complicated the conflict and helped keep oil near $90. Wallerstein says meaningful Iranian concessions may require a settlement that appears politically like a U.S. loss, while unclear leadership in Iran and multiple regional actors further complicate negotiations.

“That being said, China's like restarted imports. them not importing was a huge driver of keeping oil like around 90. The Houthis are involved…”—

Iran Energy Impact — Wallerstein says the Jones Act waiver has helped, but views Iran as more important than AI for near-term politics and markets. He cites gasoline prices near $7 per gallon as a direct consumer impact of elevated energy costs.

“I drive a Jeep and I see like $7 gas. You know, it's people are affected. Although, the Jones Act waiver has helped…”—

ECONOMY

Neutral Rate Uncertainty — The Fed’s 2028 policy-rate projection rose 50 basis points, while Wallerstein says the market and Fed had held materially different views of the neutral rate. He questions whether neutral has risen from 3.1% to 4.1%, 4.5%, or even 5.3%.

“It was, you know, relatively hawkish in the sense that the 2028 dot moved up 50 basis points for me going into the meeting that that was the most important…”—

Growth Downside Risks — Wallerstein sees more downside risk to U.S. growth than the Federal Reserve because fiscal drag, a supply shock, and additional rate hikes could arrive together. He contrasts this with the committee’s view that GDP risks are entirely to the upside.

“So, if I combine a fiscal drag, a supply shock, and rate hikes into next year, I guess I see more downside risk than the committee…”—

Canada Rate Disconnect — Wallerstein questions the case for Canadian rate hikes because GDP did not grow from the first quarter of 2025 to the first quarter of the current year. Canada also faces a difficult trade relationship with its largest trading partner, yet markets were pricing roughly five additional hikes.

“you know, there's nearly a I think 70% chance of a hike in Canada at the next meeting…”—

MARKETS

Oil Rate Repricing — Oil near $105 drove global front-end rates and the broader yield curve higher. Wallerstein estimated that the probability of a rate hike would have been 65%–70%, rather than 95%, without the energy shock. The probability later rose from 33% to 66% after Chair Warsh’s speech, CPI, and higher oil.

“But I will say that a lot of the movement in front-end rates globally has just been driven by energy. Actually, the entire curve has just been driven by energy…”—

Yen Weakness — The yen weakened after the Bank of Japan raised rates because Governor Ueda sounded more dovish than expected. The move prompted a BOJ rate check and soft intervention.

“So the BOJ hiked and then the yen sold off. There were two descents by the Takishi, the prime minister of Japan…”—

Won Versus Yen — Wallerstein prefers the South Korean won over the Japanese yen because Korea is repatriating capital faster and has a more supportive policy stance toward currency strength. A roughly 3.5% Korean rate versus 1.75% in Japan, with Korea potentially reaching 4%, provides a more compelling relative-rate backdrop.

“I think the one is a much more sure thing. I think they're repatriating quicker…”—

FORECASTS

2022-Style Bear Market — A garden-variety bear market is increasingly approaching Wallerstein’s base case, even though he remains bullish on U.S. growth. He identifies an energy shock, excessive valuations, global central-bank tightening, and fiscal drag as potential ingredients of a 2022-style decline.

“That's increasingly becoming my base case or it's getting close to it. Which is very weird because I'm kind of a bull on US growth…”—

BOJ Hiking Limit — Wallerstein expects the BOJ to hike only a couple more times before stopping. He cites negative real policy rates, political sensitivity, and inflation near 2% excluding energy as reasons not to expect an aggressive, extended tightening cycle.

“They have negative real real policy rates and politically it's sensitive. But I think they blame this on the war…”—

Japanese Stock Resilience — Wallerstein expects Japanese stocks to outperform in a bear-market scenario because Japan has multiple economic drivers, including manufacturing, while South Korea is more directly exposed to the AI cycle.

“and I think Japanese stocks are going to be great. They're going to be better than everywhere else no matter what happens in this bare market scenario. I'm long Japan…”—

Intro

Max introduces Eric Wallerstein, who views the Fed's hike and hawkish projections as near-term tightening but doubts that longer-term neutral rates have risen as much as markets assume.

Fed Hike and Higher for Longer

Wallerstein says oil has driven global front-end and long-end yields, making central-bank hike expectations look stronger than underlying growth and economic fundamentals justify.

Oil Driving Global Yields

Canada's weak growth and trade exposure contrast with U.S. resilience, raising the question of whether neutral rates have risen globally or whether central banks are tightening into fragile economies.

Canada and Global Neutral Rate

Wallerstein warns that Europe could face degrowth rather than ordinary stagflation if energy supplies fail, with thin labor-market cushions making continued hikes especially dangerous.

Energy Crisis and Degrowth Risks

He argues that populist inflation concerns may be influencing the Fed, even without direct presidential control, and that unanimous tightening reflects credibility pressures more than a unified economic outlook.

Politicized Fed and Credibility

Neutral-rate estimates are uncertain because AI investment may be supporting activity, while falling wage growth, weak housing, and non-data-center construction reveal meaningful monetary restriction.

Neutral Rate and AI CapEx Boom

Wallerstein questions whether inflation will reaccelerate enough to justify more hikes, arguing that goods, wages, services, and shelter data do not yet provide a convincing source of persistent pressure.

Inflation Outlook and Policy Mistakes

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The guests return to the interview and identify commercial bank lending and the Senior Loan Officer Survey as key indicators of whether growth is genuinely strengthening.

Key Data to Watch: Bank Lending

Wallerstein sees economists as generally more dovish and regional bank presidents as more hawkish, with energy prices likely to keep pushing the Fed factions in opposite directions.

Doves vs Hawks and Fiscal Drag

Fiscal drag from expiring stimulus effects, tariffs, absent checks, and higher energy and input costs could compound tighter U.S. and global liquidity next year.

2022 Style Bear Market Setup

The combination of energy shocks, fiscal drag, tariff pressure, and tightening liquidity could create a 2022-style bear market even without a U.S. recession.

What Could Invalidate the Thesis?

Wallerstein identifies excessive valuations, energy costs, global tightening, and fading pandemic stimulus as the mechanisms that could reproduce the 2022 market setup.

BOJ Hike and Yen Intervention

The thesis would be weakened if bank lending and supply-side incentives from the major tax bill continue powering construction, industrial investment, and broader economic activity.

Korea Silicon Boom

Japan's BOJ hike failed to strengthen the yen, and Wallerstein thinks intervention and dovish communication signal only a few additional hikes rather than an aggressive tightening cycle.

Europe Under Pressure

He prefers Japanese equities and short positions in Japanese bonds, while favoring the Korean won because AI-driven income gains may broaden across South Korea's economy.

Middle East Outlook

South Korea's semiconductor boom is already generating unusually large worker compensation and could recycle AI profits into a broader reindustrialization and domestic growth cycle.

Midterm Issues: AI vs. Gas Prices

Wallerstein remains skeptical that the yen has turned, viewing it as a likely weak funding currency whose direction depends heavily on the duration of the Middle East conflict.

China Oil Strategy

European growth faces pressure from energy costs, trade exposure, weak fiscal dynamics, and rising real exchange rates, although defense, healthcare, and selected sectors may benefit from fiscal spending.

Big Calls Wrap

The discussion concludes that Middle Eastern conflict duration, Chinese oil and refined-product policy, AI's uncertain effects, and shifting market rates are the major variables behind Wallerstein's positioning.

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