PodcastThe Real Investment ShowLance Roberts

9-14-26 Is This Time Different for Stocks?

The discussion weighs a potential Federal Reserve rate hike against weaker employment reports and oil-driven inflation, while examining how the reversal of post-2009 easy-money policies could drain liquidity from equities. Market participation, bond flows, elevated valuations, and retirement timing frame the risk that future equity returns could remain low, even without an immediate crisis. The host expects a possible crude pullback within one to two weeks and sees mean reversion as likely over a range of six months to five years.

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About 90% of Wall Street expects a 25-basis-point Federal Reserve hike, but the host expects no hike because employment reports have weakened and recent inflation increases are largely tied to oil prices. He also expects West Texas Intermediate crude, around $102 and overbought relative to its long-term averages, to pull back within one to two weeks, which could affect inflation and the FOMC decision.

The host links the post-2009 zero-rate and quantitative-easing regime to the “TINA trade,” which pushed capital toward equities, and says balance-sheet tightening now extracts liquidity from stocks. That backdrop is consistent with much larger institutional flows into high-grade corporate bonds and Treasuries than into equities, while the host notes that pension and insurance liabilities help explain the fixed-income demand.

With a 10-year Treasury yielding about 5% and expected equity returns described as roughly 2%, the host argues that investors may prefer fixed income because its interest payments and maturity value are more calculable. He says the contrast amounts to being paid to wait when stock returns are expected to be weak.

The host characterizes the AI-related selloff as an early knee-jerk reaction rather than a definitive market signal and cautions that trading may reflect positioning ahead of the FOMC announcement. This follows the announcement by leaders of OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX calling for slower AI development, while China argued for continued acceleration; the host said the news could weigh on technology stocks even as software stocks benefit.

TECHNOLOGY

AI Slowdown Debate — Leaders of OpenAI, Anthropic, and SpaceX called for slowing AI development, while China argued for continued acceleration. The host said the announcement would weigh on technology stocks, although software stocks could benefit.

“Probably not a bad idea, but that's going to certainly weigh on stocks this morning because again, you know, there's been this whole race for AI…”—

ECONOMY

Fed Hike Outlook — About 90% of Wall Street expects a 25-basis-point Federal Reserve rate hike, while the host expects no hike because employment reports have weakened and recent inflation increases are largely attributable to oil prices. He adds that a hike would likely pressure markets.

“About 90% of Wall Street expects that to be the case. They're expecting a 25 basis point hike at the next meeting…”—

MARKETS

September Weakness — The host attributes September weakness to limited buybacks and earnings activity, as well as major traders being away from the market. Stocks bounced off the 50-day moving average but remained below the 20-day moving average.

“This is everything that's happening so far this month is really kind of playing out exactly to what typical September look like. You have a lack of buybacks…”—

Investor Participation — Hedge funds have been buying stocks, while retail traders have largely stayed on the sidelines and only nibbled at market dips.

“There has been a good bit of buying by hedge funds coming into stocks, but retail traders have pretty much been sitting this out…”—

AI Selloff — The AI-related selloff appears to be an early knee-jerk reaction rather than a definitive market signal. The host also warns that the day’s action may reflect positioning ahead of the FOMC announcement.

“Again, this was just one announcement. This is kind of an early knee-jerk reaction to that announcement…”—

FORECASTS

Crude Pullback — West Texas Intermediate crude is around $102 and appears overbought relative to its long-term moving averages. The host expects some type of pullback within the next one to two weeks, which could affect inflation and the FOMC decision.

“Oil prices and from a momentum basis, we're very overbought. From relative strength basis, we're very overbought here…”—

Mean Reversion — The host says markets are trading above the upper boundary of their long-term exponential trend channel, a condition previously associated with major secular peaks. He expects extreme deviations eventually to mean-revert but gives a possible timing range from six months to five years.

“So, if you take a look at the long-term trend of the markets going back to 1900, we are trading above the top of that longterm exponential trend growth kind…”—

Low Equity Returns — The speaker says current valuations indicate equity returns of approximately 0% to 2% over the next 10 to 20 years.

“The problem with that view is valuations. Valuations tell us that over the next 10 to 20 years, returns on equities are going to be between zero and 2%.”—

INTRO

The host previews FOMC week, expects oil-driven inflation to complicate the Fed's decision, and discusses AI leaders' calls to slow development amid technology-stock weakness.

FOMC Week; AI: To Pause or Not to Pause?

Markets remain range-bound during a typically weak September, with technology stocks pressured while energy, financials, healthcare, and other sectors provide support.

Markets Still Stuck

The host explains that hedge-fund buying and limited retail participation leave the market stuck, while investors should avoid knee-jerk reactions to AI headlines before the Fed decision.

A look at Bond Flow Dynamics

Bond flows increasingly favor high-grade Treasuries and corporate debt over equities, reflecting investors' concern about valuations and the usefulness of fixed income.

Why is Everyone Buying Longer Term Bonds?

Institutions buy longer-term bonds because yields finally compensate them for matching future pension and insurance obligations, rather than accepting artificially suppressed rates.

The TINA Trade

the Federal Reserve's post-2009 zero-rate policy created the TINA trade, intentionally pushing money from cash and money markets into equities.

The Primary Function of Bonds in a Portfolio: Safety

The host emphasizes that bonds provide portfolio safety and a predictable maturity value, unlike equities whose long-term outcomes cannot be calculated precisely.

Investment Psychology: Narrative and Greed

Bonds can secure retirement income while elevated equity valuations imply weak forward returns, making duration selection and sequence-of-returns risk especially important.

The Gap Between Estimates and Reality

The host argues that media narratives and greed repeatedly distort investment psychology, causing investors to chase daily market moves instead of respecting valuations and long-term trends.

The Truth About Compounding

Retirement outcomes depend heavily on starting valuations: identical investors can experience dramatically different results when retiring at expensive versus reasonable market multiples.

The Permanent Impairment of Capital

Long-term return projections often ignore inflation, uneven market returns, and the difference between an assumed compounded rate and actual returns that include down years.

Currency Debasement & Inflation

Protecting capital means avoiding permanent impairment from severe declines, not eliminating ordinary volatility, and bonds can preserve principal when held to maturity.

How to Offset Risk of Inflation: Bonds vs Equities

Currency debasement is commonly confused with inflation; the host says current inflation is largely oil-driven and does not require extraordinarily high bond yields.

A portfolio is an Engine

Equities remain necessary alongside bonds because their growth can help retirement portfolios maintain purchasing power as inflation reduces fixed-income proportions.

A Crisis Without a Calendar

A properly constructed portfolio operates like an engine requiring maintenance, with bonds and equities serving different functions within an actively managed risk framework.

We're at the Tail End of a Secular Bull Market

Debt-crisis predictions without timing are poor portfolio tools; the host expects oil and inflation spikes to fade as wages, savings, and economic growth weaken.

Investing in Lead & Beans

The host concludes that markets are late in a secular bull market, with elevated valuations and earnings deviations likely to mean-revert eventually despite uncertain timing.

Why We Prefer Optimism

Investors should weigh institutional bond buying and historical data over sensational online narratives, while choosing optimism, which the host associates with better health and financial outcomes.

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