PodcastThe Real Investment ShowLance Roberts

8-11-26 What Really Drives Markets?

The discussion weighs a weak employment report, slowing wage growth, and the implications of government debt against arguments that a return to the gold standard could impose severe liquidity restrictions and deflationary pressure. Markets remain supported by record earnings, approximately 16% profit growth, and a recent breakout, although slowing earnings growth and complacency reflected in the VIX could create risks. The outlook is bullish over the next six and 12 months, while current valuations imply lower expected returns over 10 years.

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The employment report showed a 23,000-job decline versus expectations for an 85,000 increase, although roughly 50,000 post-World Cup job losses made the result partly anomalous and prior months were revised lower. Declining hourly wage growth adds to the evidence of slowing economic activity and could weigh on consumer spending and S&P earnings growth.

The speakers argue that returning to a gold standard could impose severe liquidity restrictions and deflationary pressure, citing a 42% decline in British wholesale prices from 1873 to 1896 and banking panics during 1893 to 1907. Because the dollar is the global reserve currency, restricting dollar creation could also reduce the ability to provide liquidity during international crises.

The speakers contend that a U.S. gold-standard return would only be workable if every country adopted it simultaneously; otherwise, countries could lose monetary control and restrict money flows. They also argue that a gold peg might ultimately be abandoned under pressure, producing panics, deflation, reduced exports, and drained liquidity rather than fiscal discipline or stable prices.

The case against a gold standard is reinforced by the speakers' argument that government debt supports household balance sheets and that U.S. growth would otherwise have been negative for a long time. On that framing, removing debt-supported liquidity could create a deflationary depression potentially worse than the Great Depression.

Corporate earnings remain strong, with approximately 16% profit growth and a record earnings-beat rate, but analysts expect growth to slow as the cycle matures. The speakers therefore distinguish between fading earnings growth that may leave markets resilient and an earnings decline tied to recession or financial crisis, which poses a more consequential equity risk.

ECONOMY

Jobs Shock — The employment report showed a 23,000-job decline, versus expectations for an 85,000 increase. About 50,000 jobs were lost after the World Cup, making the report partly anomalous, while downward revisions to the prior two months reinforced the weakness.

“but this week, we do have CPI, which is going to be the next real important number as we start to head into the September Fed meeting…”—

Wage Growth — Declining hourly wage growth is disinflationary and suggests the economy is slowing. Lower wages reduce consumers' spending power, which can weigh on S&P earnings growth.

“Hourly wage growth is actually declining and that is disinflationary within the economy…”—

Dollar Purchasing Power — The commonly cited loss of the dollar's purchasing power since 1971 describes an uninvested dollar after adjusting for inflation. The speakers argue that the chart is not wrong, but can be misinterpreted as showing that current dollars are no longer usable.

“It's like, oh my gosh, since 1970 we've lost like 88 cents of the value of the dollar…”—

MARKETS

Current Earnings — Companies currently have record earnings, approximately 16% profit growth, and a record earnings beat rate. However, analysts expect earnings-growth rates to begin slowing as the current cycle matures, which could weigh on market performance despite continued market exuberance.

“We've got record earnings right now. We've got record profit growth, 16% profit growth margin, which is just phenomenal…”—

Breakout Consolidation — A two-month period of sideways trading allowed the market to work off an overbought condition without a price decline. That was followed by a breakout to all-time highs, which the speaker viewed as constructive.

“We've been this long consolidation as we talked about on Thursday. There's two ways for a market to correct an overbought condition…”—

VIX Complacency — The VIX's unusually low and compressed level reflects market complacency that the speaker says can precede corrective action, although no imminent crash is predicted.

“If you take a look at the VIX, the VIX has collapsed to basically its lowest level that we've seen in quite some time…”—

FORECASTS

Higher Markets — The market's breakout to all-time highs after two months of sideways consolidation is viewed as bullish and suggests markets will be higher over the next six and 12 months. However, the market had already made a large move in a short period.

“That's bullish. There's no way around that. That's just bullish all across the board and suggests that the markets will be higher over the next 6 and 12 months…”—

INTRO

Lance previews CPI and small-business data, then explains that the weak employment report and downward revisions matter, especially because slowing wage growth signals disinflation and weaker future earnings.

CPI Preview & Economic Numbers

The S&P 500's breakout after a lengthy consolidation is bullish for six- and twelve-month returns, but stretched conditions, compressed VIX readings, and unusually high money-flow breadth justify portfolio rebalancing.

Markets Break Out to All-new Highs

The hosts discuss family birthdays, a spontaneous Galveston beach trip, and how a strong interview schedule allowed Lance and his wife extra time together.

Birthday's & Beach Trips

Lance addresses emails about market crashes and gold, arguing that inflation-adjusted dollar charts can mislead and that purchasing-power comparisons require considering income and spending changes.

Emails to Lance - Back to Gold?

Investing is presented primarily as a way to preserve future purchasing power rather than gamble for returns, while fears about dollar debasement and replacing fiat currency motivate many gold-standard questions.

Why We Invest

The hosts explain that a gold-backed currency could restrict liquidity, intensify economic downturns, and create greater short-run price instability than a fiat regime.

Short-run Price Uncertainty

The discussion examines historical gold-standard episodes, including deflation, banking panics, an overvalued British pound, and monetary constraints that repeatedly produced poor economic outcomes.

The US as Reserve Currency of the World

Because the dollar is the world's reserve currency, returning to gold could impair international dollar swaps and crisis liquidity, while debt-adjusted U.S. growth would reveal severe economic weakness.

Real GDP vs Debt

A gold standard would sharply constrain money-supply growth and potentially create a deflationary depression; global coordination would be required, but countries would resist surrendering currency control.

The Gold Standard Trap

The hosts describe the gold-standard trap: promises of discipline and stable money could instead bring abandoned pegs, banking panics, debt deflation, damaged exports, and drained liquidity.

Gold's Role in Your Portfolio

Gold can still serve as a portfolio diversifier tied partly to real interest rates, but it is not uniquely necessary because any asset growing faster than inflation can protect purchasing power.

Earnings & Valuations - What to Pay Attention To?

The proper rationale for owning gold is diversification and inflation protection, not apocalyptic fears that the dollar will disappear or that everyday transactions will require physical gold.

Markets are Constantly Pricing-in Earnings Expectations

The hosts turn to earnings, noting record profits and approximately 16% growth, while warning that analysts expect the earnings-growth rate to slow after an unusually strong reporting season.

Earnings & Multiplier Performance History

Short-term valuations have little predictive power, whereas ten-year valuations imply lower expected returns; near-term market direction is more closely connected to earnings expectations.

How We Rebalanced - Black Rock vs Goldman

Markets continuously price expected future earnings, allowing companies such as Nvidia to grow into seemingly extreme valuations when profits expand rapidly.

When Earnings Fall (chart)

Historical data show that earnings and valuation multiples do not always move together, but market declines tied to major economic or financial events are especially dangerous.

Credit Spread - The Differential Between Yields

Credit spreads measure compensation for risky corporate debt, and broad spread blowouts can signal economic stress requiring reduced exposure, while narrow spreads indicate complacency.

AI Credit Spreads are a Small Part of Market

AI-related hyperscaler credit spreads represent a small, concentrated debt basket rather than broad systemic stress; individual risks such as Oracle's leverage require separate company-level analysis.

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