PodcastThe Real Investment ShowBrian Dunlap

4-6-26 AI: How To Invest in the Next Industrial Revolution - Brian Dunlap Interview

The discussion centers on the burgeoning investment landscape surrounding AI and its infrastructure, with significant capital expenditures projected to rise sharply. Key themes include the long-term potential of data centers, the strategic use of debt in tech investments, and the evolving funding dynamics in AI development. As AI demand accelerates, particularly in national security and various sectors, the need for robust infrastructure investments becomes increasingly critical.

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Key Takeaways

Investment in AI infrastructure is surging, with projected capital expenditures rising from $400 billion last year to $600 billion this year, driven by demand from hyperscalers and the anticipated shift in AI spending from model training to inference.

Companies are strategically leveraging low borrowing costs of 4-4.5% to finance data center investments, expecting returns of 8-15%, which reflects a broader trend of using debt to enhance returns in technology infrastructure.

The AI sector is experiencing a democratization of technology, with the number of potential 'coders' expanding from 100-200 million to around 8 billion, indicating a profound shift in accessibility and integration of AI into various industries.

Despite concerns about sustainability, 92% of companies plan to increase AI investments, suggesting significant growth potential as the sector matures, even though only 5% are currently generating substantial value from AI.

Major tech companies like Microsoft, Meta, and Amazon are expected to see significant revenue growth from AI and cloud services, but investors should prepare for a longer horizon of 5 to 7 years before realizing returns.

AI

Surge in AI Demand — The demand for AI and cloud services is accelerating, with Nvidia projecting a trillion dollars in future revenue. This robust demand is prompting significant infrastructure investments, with the big four hyperscalers expected to spend over $600 billion next year, indicating a strong market for AI-related infrastructure.

“If you heard Jensen Hong at the GTC this week, you know he mentioned that he sees a trillion dollar revenue in in Nvidia's future”—

AI Growth Concerns — While there are concerns regarding the sustainability of AI companies' business models due to heavy capital expenditures, the overall sentiment remains optimistic. A report indicates that only 5% of companies are currently generating substantial value from AI, yet 92% plan to increase investments, suggesting significant growth potential as the sector matures.

“Since then, you know, we've seen a lot more weakness in companies like Microsoft and Oracle, Meta, some of these AI names…”—

Job Market Transformation — Historically, technological advancements have displaced jobs while also creating new industries. The current evolution of AI is expected to follow this trend, with job displacement likely leading to new opportunities and sectors that are yet to be defined, reflecting a dynamic job market.

“When you go back, you know, and you think about the internet and what this is what's interesting about AI, you know, there's a lot of conversation right now is…”—

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CIRCULAR-FINANCING

Sustainable Financing Model — Circular financing, where companies lend to customers to facilitate purchases, is prevalent in capital-intensive industries. As long as demand remains robust, this model is sustainable and not indicative of a financial bubble.

“If demand continues to be robust and at this point there's been no indications that demand is slowing down then those companies continue to have the ability to generate the…”—

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DATA-CENTERS

Data Center Investment Potential — Data centers are increasingly recognized as revenue-generating assets, typically remaining net negative for the first three years before achieving internal rates of return (IRR) of 12% to 21%. This underscores their long-term investment potential, particularly as demand for AI and cloud services escalates.

“Talked about building these data centers and thinking about them as factories there's a really cool statistic I saw just recently from our fundamental equity team when you build these…”—

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DEBT-INVESTMENT

Leveraging Debt Strategically — Companies are utilizing low borrowing costs (4-4.5%) to finance data center investments, expecting returns of 8-15%. This strategic use of debt can significantly enhance potential returns, reflecting a broader trend of leveraging capital to seize technology infrastructure opportunities.

“If I'm borrowing money at four, four and a half%…”—

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INVESTMENT-OPPORTUNITIES

Focused AI ETFs — BlackRock offers targeted ETFs like IDGT and B AI, concentrating on digital infrastructure and the AI tech stack. The B AI ETF is notably overweight in the infrastructure layer, prioritizing investments in essential services vital for AI development, such as power and data center construction.

“IDGT is one of the ETFs that we have that is specifically dedicated to digital infrastructure and real estate.”—

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